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solutionzero - Sep 22, 2005 - 02:20 AM
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Toxicity was probably the best album to date in my opinion and even though the lyrics I have picked out may have nothing to do with terrorism, it's interesting. Well Toxicity dropped, I believe, one week before 9/11 happened. In the song Jet Pilot he says "Wired were the eyes or a horse, of a jet pilot, one that smiled as he flew over the bay" and also say "the sky right before they went grey". The city was covered with smoke and debris after the planes hit. Isn't there a bay right there next to the towers? In Chop Suey he says "trust in my self righteous suicide" and "i cry when angels deserve to die". Self righteous suicide is exactly what a suicide bombing is seeing as how it is for their self righteous cause and angels are the innocent people that suicide bombers see deserve to die for living in their country that the terrorists hate. In Aerials "Aerials, in the sky, when you lose small mind you free your life. Aerials, so up high, when you free your eye's eternal prize". The eternal prize meaning heaven which is the main ETERNAL prize of terrorists to get to since they are told how they will go straight to heaven for their role. These could be and probably have nothing to do with 9/11 or terrorism but it is a theory.

sdsj3291 - Sep 22, 2005 - 02:25 AM
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man, u must think alot.

markimsoad - Sep 22, 2005 - 04:11 AM
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ITS A LIAR TOPIC AND POST... SORRY! :/

serjsbeard - Sep 22, 2005 - 08:23 AM
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all of what you say is true so im not going to have a go... Confused

but ive explained this before (often to my parents) and ill most likely have to again but...

SYSTEM ARE NOT BLOODY TERRORISTS NOR DO THEY HAVE TERRORIST VIEWS!!! Very Happy

trippa - Sep 22, 2005 - 01:29 PM
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lol thats awesome you could think that up man. You can get so much out of system lyrics.

Ekke - Sep 22, 2005 - 03:39 PM
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Well good work man... but I promise that you could see connections in some Britney Spears songs too Razz

...
Haha like "Ops I did it again"
Only the title tough (I think?)

Sorry crapy post :S

taylorsoad - Sep 23, 2005 - 03:11 AM
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well you did think a lot about that but the only impression you could get from what you said is you think system of a down knew about or had to do with 9/11
THAT AINT TRUE!
and all of those songs have WAAAY different meanings.
btw the one i am sure about is aerials. they say the song is really about nothing your just supposed to picture a disabled kid amazed at trapeze artists or something. AND in a show, daron introed aerials as, "Once again this song is about nothing!"

brandy_4_the_nerves - Sep 23, 2005 - 04:01 AM
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Well thanks for that lovely post. hey heres an idea, maybe you can compare the mezmerize lyrics with the prediction of our latest hurricanes huh. "dont eat the fish" or maybe "they take me away from the strangest places." cause i sure as hell wouldnt eat the fish there and everyones being taken away to some where. who knows, let alone who cares. dont read too much into the lyrics. just enjoy the music

11/22/05 - Sep 23, 2005 - 06:15 AM
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brandy_4_the_nerves wrote:

ahmen!

nadinetannous - Sep 23, 2005 - 09:18 AM
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some of the chop suey lyrics were from the armenian (saint?) priest father armani, i think his name was, after the genocide happened. but yeah, otherwise, clever thinking.

BYOBSpiders - Sep 23, 2005 - 11:09 PM
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Damn. People look into lyrics too much!

Deceased - Sep 23, 2005 - 11:34 PM
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I don't really think they would support terrorism, they are anti all that. But you have a point.

nikZ - Sep 24, 2005 - 10:41 AM
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Ahhhh.... thanks for this fact....

So System of a Down are terrorists from the Al-Queda, their instruments are weapons and the next concert, they'll first preach fanatic religous content of the coran and then blow the hole concert stadium away..... that's why I love System of a Down... Rolling Eyes

[attention, irony!]

[P.S.: This should not represent a bad opinion against muslims]

ZAk - Sep 24, 2005 - 10:47 AM
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Well, its kinda weird thinking but, SOAD's lyrics are really flexible that can be fit to any meaning you'd like to put. But still, despite that I kinda smell "they are middle-eastern band" thing in your post, I bet if they were not, you wouldnt even think that way

dabomb2802 - Sep 24, 2005 - 06:24 PM
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BYOBSpiders wrote:

Damn. People look into lyrics too much!

thats wat makes soad diferent then other bands u needa think to understand them u needa take the hidden mesegas
and arnt they all from lebonon

biohazard6686 - Sep 24, 2005 - 07:11 PM
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what now soad are terrorists???

thesoadguy - Sep 24, 2005 - 08:09 PM
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Yes.

dabomb2802 - Sep 24, 2005 - 08:15 PM
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no there just colaborating with them

serjicalmouse - Sep 25, 2005 - 02:33 AM
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And u call ur self a soad fan shame on you.

Theoneintheback - Sep 25, 2005 - 05:24 AM
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ya know what
fellas?
i think this post
calls
for some good ol fashion
CANNABALISM

solutionzero - Sep 25, 2005 - 02:38 PM
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Actually i never saw theme as "middle eastern". After I first found out about them I saw all this Armenian this and that so I decided to research it a little bit. Apparently Armenians are a toss-up between european and middle eastern. The are far east to be europian but their culture took on christianity and are right around the caucasus mountains which is supposed to be the place of origin for caucasians. This being said, Armenians are probably the farthest east that causasians/europians reach.

I only say that these lyrics seem terrorist or 9/11 related due to their coincidental wording and timing of the album release. They also seem pretty set on saying that Aerials "means nothing". Yes, Serj I believe was born in Lebanon and Daron supposedly has relatives living in Iraq currently that won't leave. I never said I was correct, I just said it was interesting and something to look at seeing as how this is the forum for discussion of song meanings.

dabomb2802 - Sep 25, 2005 - 04:41 PM
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another thing jet piliot is a midel east style of music

miamicanes04 - Sep 26, 2005 - 09:37 PM
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fuck off

crystal-n-da-s.o.a.d - Sep 26, 2005 - 10:43 PM
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oh my gosh, i just about spit milk all over myself when i read this insane bullshit.You are either a.really paranoid,b.really stupid,or c.You must not know that soad is against war and terrorism,and human suffering.All I have to say is you are insane and you should join some kind of counseling group...you have absolutely way to much time on your hands,man.And you have the nerve to post this bullshit on the soad website!!!my,my,my what is the world coming to? Rolling Eyes

Harout - Sep 29, 2005 - 02:35 AM
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one thing ya?
ARMENIANS ARE NOT TERRORISTS!
ok im done.

fritz - Sep 29, 2005 - 06:33 PM
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I dont think he was like "OMG SOAD ARE TERRORISTS READ THE LYRIKS AND SEE TEH TRUTH!!!"
He said: "Its a theory", and I kinda agree on the Jet Pilot thing, because it doesnt have to be meant in a positive way. It could be about the madness of the terrorists, you know..
Anyway, Toxicity came out like a couple of weeks before 9/11, and they wrote the songs over 3 years.

Harout - Sep 29, 2005 - 11:12 PM
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Jet Pilot wasnt middle eastern style.just because it sounded different that dont mean its middle eastern.

sprandel17 - Sep 30, 2005 - 02:48 AM
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U cant say that its about one thing, i believe that forest is about god and the devil. its so awesome that you came up with all that stuff tho! Honestly! but i dont think that soad wanted anything to do with terrorism and it was all a terrible terrible coincidence

Baconman - Sep 30, 2005 - 02:31 PM
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I've read stuff like this before, another one was the lyrics of "Suite-pee":

"Crossed and terrored, ravages of architecture, lend me thy blades, crossed and terrored ravages of architecture hoist around the spade"

this is meant to symbolise the 9/11 attack, " Crossed and terrored " the people of new york felt this way. "ravages of architecture" the destruction of the trade centres, "lend me thy blades" the blades are meant to be conveying the wings of the planes that were used. "hoist around the spade" the spade was used to dig the graves of the many that were killed.

Also there is a band picture of serj imitating a fascist gesture, john dressed in buisness clothes ( a lot of buisness people were killed on that day ) and shavo has the number "01" on his shirt resembling the year of the trade centre attacks.

Personally, i dont believe in any of that stuff, its just like people trying to make a mountain out of a molehill and obviously System aint terrorists but some people seem to think they are .

daron_malakian's_wife - Oct 01, 2005 - 08:20 PM
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OKAY WHEN YOU SAY In Aerials "Aerials, in the sky, when you lose small mind you free your life. Aerials, so up high, when you free your eye's eternal prize". The eternal prize meaning heaven which is the main ETERNAL prize of terrorists to get to since they are told how they will go straight to heaven for their role LISTEN IF YOU COMMIT SUICIDE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO GO TO HELL BECAUSE YOU ARE STEALING YOUR OWN LIFE AWAY BECAUSE IT ISNT YOURS censored

Syfka - Oct 02, 2005 - 02:39 AM
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ok so are you calling them terrorists if not ignore the rest of this. you are a fucking asshole racist i hate people like you i got called a terrorist for wearing a system of a down t shirt because their armenian means nothing now go run into a knife.

cozmachina - Oct 02, 2005 - 04:59 AM
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I'm disappointed. All of you are quick to judge someone that's pointing out something that interests them, whether or not it has to do with System Of A Down "subliminal" messages.

People in general think. Is it such a crime that solutionzero is thinking? I had someone pointing the same thing out to me when they read the lyrics for Peephole. I have an idea about that song, even though it's one that I listen to the least, but it was their theory that maybe System knew of something.

I'm convinced that the band members personally don't have any connection to the events on 9/11... but I'm not gonna put it past them if they expected something like this to happen. More along the lines of people just getting kicked in the ass for their actions. It happens with everyone. What comes around goes around and sometimes it goes around even harder than when it came out.

I am begging all of you - please do not be ignorant. Especially now - TODAY - with what's going on and the way people react, we don't need any more of that. It would be a lot easier to comprehend EVERYONE's opinion if we just discuss this and not bash anyone. Wouldn't it?

And that definitely goes for telling someone to run into a knife.

Donteathefish - Oct 06, 2005 - 04:29 AM
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taylorsoad wrote:

I think shavo was just talking about the video when he said that, but i could be wrong cuz it doesnt kinda fit with the chorus. And daron and all of them always say the songs about nothing, so youll form your own opinions. They are always about something.

Donteathefish - Oct 06, 2005 - 04:39 AM
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dabomb2802 wrote:

another thing jet piliot is a midel east style of music

umm am I the only one who does not see jet pilot as sounding middle eastern? Lol anyway. I dont think soad or any armenians are terrorists. I believe their are some bad middle easterns AKA al quada etc but it does not make me hate all middle easterns. I can see ur point the person who posted thsi (i forget who) but i think its all a coincedence. They just like to write aobut whats going on in the world and the crappy things that happen, and terrorism has happened before 9/11, it was just a bigger deal i guess.

Donteathefish - Oct 06, 2005 - 04:39 AM
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Oh shit, sorry for the double post! haha

CacXp - Oct 06, 2005 - 02:58 PM
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You people are all crazy, Its just music people thats all and if they were terrorists don't you think that, that American homeland security crap ( A federal agency whose primary mission is to help prevent, protect against, and respond to acts of terrorism on United States soil.) would get them arrested? Actualy im not even sure what that homeland security crap does Im not American and proud of it. They are not terrorists.

cozmachina - Oct 09, 2005 - 03:00 AM
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Donteathefish wrote:

dabomb2802 wrote:

another thing jet piliot is a midel east style of music

I just have to say.... snapy

I think Jet Pilot sounds middle eastern. Personally - much of that music from Toxicity sounds like it. There's a big difference in styles between Toxicity and Mezmerize. And Cigaro - I feel is one song that doesn't fit on Mezmerize... like it should have been on Steal This Album.

"Can't you see that we love my cock?"
Ok, done. Laughing

My_Name_Is_Roger! - Oct 14, 2005 - 01:36 PM
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There was that whole thing about the Government knowing about 9/11 before it happened. People have been saying the government knew about it since it happened. Maybe somehow system knew the government had knowlege of this and was subliminally trying to warn the public about it beforehand Shocked

... or something like that... Who Knows. I do know, however, that SOAD is not a terrorist group or in no way connected to terrorist groups...

bass_girl - Oct 14, 2005 - 06:23 PM
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Erm... if you wanna see something in lyrics, you will. You were looking at SOAD's lyrics trough prism of things, wich are happening now... it's not good. And it's wrong. Chop Suey isn't really telling about suicide of terrorists. But, whatever, you can think what you want.

iRmaLakian_69 - Oct 16, 2005 - 12:10 PM
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JUST 4 ATTENTION..NO I DONT THINK SO..NO TERRORISM IN THE WORLD,"TERRORIST" JUST FUCKIN WORDS..

serjsbeard - Oct 16, 2005 - 04:57 PM
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which picture were you on about when you said serj did a fascist gesture??

yesak - Oct 16, 2005 - 06:12 PM
Post subject: terrorist messages on Toxicity: secret 9/11

If you think the lyrics are creepy, listen to Chop Suey fairly loud with the bass turned down. In the first AND second verse after Serj says "Wake up! (Wake up) Grab a brush and put a little makeup!" Listen VERY VERY CAREFULLY to the silent bit right after "makeup" and you can hear what sounds like someone in the studio saying "9/11" from far away from the microphone. I tried to convince myself that it was an echo, but an echo would have to sound like makeup or something rhyming with "Wakeup" or "makeup". 9/11 sounds nothing like either word. Also, the "echo" doesn't happen after "Why'd you leave the keys up on the table?" Only silence and a slight ringing of the muted guitar can be heard. It's also much easier to hear in the second verse for some reason. I don't think System are terrorists or anything, but interesting nonetheless.

DBZEROGRAVITY - Oct 17, 2005 - 03:32 AM
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zak said it just perfect. no way were these guys even remotely related to the 911 attacks.

srtung - Oct 17, 2005 - 04:48 AM
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system are not affliated with terrorist, they hate all that shit, hell their families are victims of war and terror. they have lived through the aftermath of it all.. some people are so stupid... system are all about justice and freedom and standing up for what you belive in, not terrorism.... some times the shit people come up with spins me out Razz

Donteathefish - Oct 17, 2005 - 05:12 AM
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cozmachina wrote:

I just have to say... snapy

hmm i dont hear it all all, and i think cigaro fits with BYOB and violent pornography and this cocaine..sta had a diff. more serious sounding feel to it. Smile

bass_girl - Oct 17, 2005 - 08:07 AM
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God... "Musicians of System of a down are terrorist". Imagine all those headings in newspapers! And how they would know that? From this thread, obviously! Well, I think that we should stop searching all this subliminal messages in SOAD's songs... but whatever, do what you want, for me it's amusing.

FGWB - Oct 17, 2005 - 09:52 PM
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solutionzero wrote:

"Wired were the eyes or a horse, of a jet pilot, one that smiled as he flew over the bay" and also say "the sky right before they went grey". The city was covered with smoke and debris after the planes hit. Isn't there a bay right there next to the towers?

I believe it's actually a harbor, not a bay but I don't know the difference.

solutionzero wrote:

In Chop Suey he says "trust in my self righteous suicide" and "i cry when angels deserve to die". Self righteous suicide is exactly what a suicide bombing is seeing as how it is for their self righteous cause and angels are the innocent people that suicide bombers see deserve to die for living in their country that the terrorists hate.

That actually makes sense except the part about a man who is going to kill people cry for them.

solutionzero wrote:

In Aerials "Aerials, in the sky, when you lose small mind you free your life. Aerials, so up high, when you free your eye's eternal prize". The eternal prize meaning heaven which is the main ETERNAL prize of terrorists to get to since they are told how they will go straight to heaven for their role.

They think they get 72 virgins. Evil or Very Mad

Donteathefish - Oct 18, 2005 - 02:09 AM
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I thought it was 12, fgwb...but i really dont care enough to debate cuz its all shitty and messed up.

geoff - Oct 21, 2005 - 04:50 AM
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System of a down are not terrorists. However, they are ridiculously liberal and anti-american.

Anomalous - Oct 21, 2005 - 08:42 AM
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I agree that the all out bashing is rather childish and retarded. The guy is stating an opinion, not bashing SOAD, so who are any of you to say "wtf are you doing on an SOAD fan site???"

However, that being said, I must state that this opinion hasn't been thought through very well. There is a difference between thinking, and forcing a meaning on to lyrics. I mean, sure you can make it fit, but why on Earth would you isolate the application of this description of your opinion exclusively to 9/11? The words are very general, and can be blanketed over many subjects, including (more directly related to your opinion) other such attacks. How many wars in recent history have not had jets flying over head, dropping bombs and leaving a cloud of gray? And where does the horse (or shackled old man) come into play on 9/11? Maybe the senior businessman tied to his job who looked up right before the planes hit the towers? We can force lyrics to apply to any situation all day long, if we try hard enough. It is no better a fit then any other war related event. So I don't see the points you've made holding much merit in forming a correlation to 9/11. I’m not trying to bash at all. Just a civilized discussion about how easily you can deconstruct this point of view.

Unrelated to the original post, I also wanted to clear up some other misconceptions I've read on this thread. First of all, Armenians are part of southeastern Europe, not the Middle East. Armenia was the first officially Christian State in the world (since 301 AD). In fact, if the Bible is the truth, the repopulation of the Earth began in the region of Armenia, as Noah's ark supposedly landed in "the mountains of Ararat". Their Christian faith was a large part of why they lost 1.5 million people at the hands of the Muslim Ottoman Turks from 1915 - 1923. In light of this, I hardly think they'd be interested in aiding Muslim fundamentalists (by either being a part of, or not speaking about such knowledge) in an attack on innocent Christian civilians. That would be considered a traitor act, which I highly doubt SOAD would do since they’re obviously very proud of their Armenian heritage. The only kind of terrorist activities Armenians were involved in were the assassination of Turkish ambassadors to gain attention for their cause; getting the Armenian Genocide recognized (the afore mentioned 1.5 million killed). They have never, ever terrorized a nation or group of people outside of this (denialist Turks), and even that stopped a decade or so ago.

Secondly, the music itself. The drumbeat you hear on Jet Pilot (and quite a few of their other songs) does indeed share traits with Middle Eastern music, but is far from being exclusive to the ME. Armenians have always had their own little twist on music that differentiates it from the Middle Eastern region. Similar? Yes, but not quite the same. They have many odd metered songs, and much of their melodies have a uniqueness to it. Any similarities Armenians share with Middle Easterners (in music, or culture) is only due to being close to the region, plus being invaded by many of those nations over the course of their history. Obviously, some of the culture will rub off. The members of SOAD are part of the Diaspora, much of which was a direct result of the Armenian Genocide. They didn't move to Lebanon, or Iraq because they're "fellow Middle Eastern nations". Far from it, Armenians were scattered to these nations a couple generations ago during the "deportations", and fleeing for their lives.

Summary? Armenians are part of Europe, not the Middle East, their music is somewhat similar to M.E., but has a unique sound to it, and they aren't interested in terrorizing anyone but the Turks (which they haven't done in over a decade).

diegokobe - Oct 22, 2005 - 07:37 PM
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Yeh, cool report up here ^ tnx Anomalous for clearing all up, my mom also said "those soad arent from al-quaeda?" i told her no but she is somekind trying me not to listen, but she works all day so when shes not around i listen, its music for the soul, i think all people thinking soad are terrorist are very very wrong

wemple - Oct 22, 2005 - 07:46 PM
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if you really take time and think about it, it makes sense

Anomalous - Oct 22, 2005 - 11:46 PM
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diegokobe wrote:

i think all people thinking soad are terrorist are very very wrong

They're beyond wrong. They're flat out idiots. I know that may have sounded harsh, but if there's one thing I can't stand, it's people forming strong opinions on things they know nothing about, and a statement like that is cultural illiteracy at its finest. You would have to be monumentally ignorant to think an Armenian would collaborate with a Muslim terrorist group. As I said, the only terrorist activities Armenians were ever involved in were the assassination of Turkish ambassadors who were denying the genocide a couple decades ago. Other then that, being Armenian makes it next to impossible for them to be terrorists. You can tell your mom there is a far greater chance of she herself being related to Al Qaeda before an Armenian/SOAD. Very Happy

I'm just kidding (not about the accuracy of the statement, but about actually saying that to her)....don't want you getting your ass beat. Wink

But I'm just trying to illustrate how far off such an uneducated assumption is. That much, you should get across to her.

SERJ-IS-COOL - Oct 23, 2005 - 03:09 AM
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sorry dude, no fucking clue!

mrface05 - Oct 23, 2005 - 05:14 AM
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dude, i think that jet pilot just means something about being high... drugs... cocke or x or something... nothing to do with 9/11... just an opinion thuogh... and i agree with zak, if they werent middle eastern you wouldnt say anything about that

rraaee123 - Oct 24, 2005 - 09:12 PM
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OKay. Chop Suey is about suicide though.

ther-tryn-2-builda-prison - Oct 24, 2005 - 10:18 PM
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.............. crappy post, i know people look past SOAD lyrics alot but.......... thats juss crazy in my opinion.

ATWAafton - Oct 26, 2005 - 02:05 PM
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well, people can make anything out of anything you know, like if someone wants to make system look bad, they can make up any meaning for any lyrics of a song. but i have to say, it did cross my mind while listening to Jet pilot and Chop Suey!.

ŠØÂÐ - Oct 27, 2005 - 04:51 PM
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YOU'RE A SOAD FAN?
ur callin soad a terrorist. maybe they was just trying to warn us wat we could get lead into. its easy to find out wat we were heading to with all the shits that been happening in the america system. they could be warning us, and somehow become right. maybe u think too much on the other side of the mind. there are many other meanings to their songs. PICK ONE. Dude, you DO think too much.

raihidara - Nov 01, 2005 - 06:50 PM
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I don't think SOAD are terrorists, and I don't think the person who started this discussion truly thought that either.

Somewhere on this message board I saw that someone listened to Chop Suey really loud and thought they heard "9/11" faintly in the background.

I was shocked to see that it is true. I got my CD player and put it close to max volume, and listened, and you can truly hear it. It happens in between "Grab a brush and put a little makeup" and "Hide the scars to fade away the shakeup" when there is silence. The first time around you can VAGUELY hear it, but the second time around it is crystal clear.

Considering this was released about a week before 9/11, maybe they were trying to warn us about it before it happened.

Lost_In_System - Nov 10, 2005 - 03:51 PM
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Im scared

Mr.man - Dec 02, 2005 - 04:12 AM
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nooo, idk

fuckyoursister - Dec 02, 2005 - 04:51 AM
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geoff wrote:

System of a down are not terrorists. However, they are ridiculously liberal and anti-american.

OK HOLD THE MOTHERFUCKING PHONE and I quote were not ANTI-AMERICAN WERE ANTI-DUMBASS-MOTHERFUCKERS straight from Daron's mouth. Question

ŠØÂÐ - Dec 02, 2005 - 08:29 PM
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Geoff
u need to pay attention to soad's songs
theyre not anti-american
theyre against the bullshits we are facing today
and theyre also against the assholes who supports the bullshits we are facing today

E-dawg - Dec 02, 2005 - 10:22 PM
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Let me say this.....I think that system wants to poison and kill the entire world. That's why all their songs are about peace.

(sheesh)

Why would they sing about terrorism...and....peace at the same time?

(I'm just kidding)

geoff - Dec 03, 2005 - 05:45 AM
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if they knew anything about 9/11 they would have told someone. that's just stupid. they would have made a song called "hey don't go to the world trade center on september 11, 2001, it's gonna get hit by terrorists"

soad's lyrics aren't pro terrorist they're simply anti-america.

DianaL510 - Dec 03, 2005 - 06:04 AM
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ZAk wrote:

I agree with Zak and I think it's just a big coincidence with the timing thing... and as for hearing "9/11" in Chop Suey... I heard it too. That's kind of creepy... but maaayybe it's something else? It's still creepy though.

geoff - Dec 03, 2005 - 06:31 AM
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don't call this guy a racist. he's basing his ideas off of lyrics not prejudices.

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ok, this coming from the band who's frontman, Serj, said on the howard stern show that america basically brought 9/11 on themselves. sounds anti-american to me. read the boom lyrics. many of their lyrics are anti-american. read them.

DianaL510 - Dec 03, 2005 - 03:26 PM
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That's not being anti-american. That's just talking about how it's America's fault too. Both sides are to blame.

Mr.man - Dec 04, 2005 - 05:44 AM
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fuckyoursister wrote:

geoff wrote:

System of a down are not terrorists. However, they are ridiculously liberal and anti-american.

OK HOLD THE MOTHERFUCKING PHONE and I quote were not ANTI-AMERICAN WERE ANTI-DUMBASS-MOTHERFUCKERS straight from Daron's mouth. Question

lol, thats the exact same quote i was gonna make

the-iceman - Dec 05, 2005 - 09:12 PM
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BULLSHIT!

geoff - Dec 05, 2005 - 09:17 PM
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That's not being anti-american. That's just talking about how it's America's fault too. Both sides are to blame.

I hope you don't believe that. I know soad believes it but i think/hope most people know the truth.

if you do believe that. how is america at fault for terrorism. that's like saying a woman who is raped is partially at fault.

ZAk - Dec 05, 2005 - 09:34 PM
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maybe if the CIA didnt create Bin-laden and Iran islamic system, and supported all the stupid goverments in the middle-east and and and .. maybe that would solve some problem we are facing today

also, there's way diffferent beteen anti-american and anti-goverment. it reminds me of the old communist goverments, when they used to throw people in Jail just coz of their right in free-speech and all of them would be called, betrayer and anti-[put nationality here] ..

mohqas - Dec 05, 2005 - 09:42 PM
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kewl topic .. no comments .. i dont wanna end in the preson Neutral

geoff - Dec 05, 2005 - 09:58 PM
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maybe if the CIA didnt create Bin-laden

i already told you. they didn't create him. he was fighting the soviets in afghanistan. it was during the cold war. the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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supported all the stupid goverments in the middle-east and and and

we didn't put any of those governments in place. i don't know what you mean by support them. i suggest rephrasing some of the things you say. it's hard to take someone seriously who says something like "all the stupid governments." im pretty sure all we actively support is israel. and we should support them.

soad are not terrorists, however they are anti-american. seriously read the boom lyrics. ill give some highlights...

"ive been walking through your streets,
Where all your money’s earning, Where all your building’s crying,
And clueless neckties working, Revolving fake lawn houses,
Housing all your fears, Desensitized by TV" if this isn't anti-american

"Matador corporations, Puppeting your frustrations, With the blinded flag" more anti-american content.

"beyond the staples center you can see america with it's tired poor avenging disgrace... plastic existence."

if they are against capitalism, the american military, and the way americans live then i would draw the conclusion that they are anti american.

ZAk - Dec 05, 2005 - 10:18 PM
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I wont argue with you about the goverment supporting thing, just get back into the american plan of the greater M.E when the current ameican administration said and ADMIT it that they were suporting corrupted goverments not only in the ME though, and that was one of the main reasons behind the raising of the extremists, I guess now you know better than the administration you praise ??! Confused

As for Bin-Laden, search in google for his biography or whatever, and you will know he has been created and trained by the CIA, itrs really widly known.

Once again the lyrics are pretty flexible .. and why wont you go on for Madonna as Anti-American as well ? she was Anti-war and she made that song 'American Dream' didnt she?
and So is : APC, black eyed peas, sheryl crow and many many artists I cant really remember their name atm, are they anti-american as well ?

again and again, there's way difference between anti-war, anti goverment and anti- [put nationality here]

geoff - Dec 05, 2005 - 10:32 PM
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the governments we supported that were corrupt probably refers to the time of the iran-iraq war. the u.s has to deal with the corrupt governments in the mideast because the u.s is the only superpower. I've never heard anyone say that our support of any government was the reason for islamic extremism. the reason for terrorism is simple. we support israel. israel is controlled by the jews. the arabs hate the jews. also, the propaganda in those countries bends people that way.

the main overall reason is because we are not an islamic nation and are therefore evil according to them

I know the history of Bin Laden. The reason he was supported was because of the war in Afghanistan in the 80's. Please answer me this question. Even if he was trained by the cia. why is it our fault he attacks us and wants the United States to die??

i don't worship the current administration. they are too liberal about a lot of things.

Madonna is anti-american. most of the entertainment industry is far-far-far left and therefore anti-american. anti-war does not equal anti-american.

when soad talk about their hatred of capitalism, the american military, and the general way in which americans live i consider that anti-american. they are not terrorists. terrorists probably agree with a lot of their views though.

ZAk - Dec 05, 2005 - 10:39 PM
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geoff wrote:

Madonna is anti-american. most of the entertainment industry is far-far-far left and therefore anti-american.

Thats it man! you just made it, no more arguing with you ..

geoff - Dec 05, 2005 - 10:47 PM
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you didn't answer my question. what difference does it make that the U.S at one time aided Bin Laden in his war with our enemy, the Soviet Union?

the reason you said you wouldn't argue with me anymore is because you don't know how to answer this question.

ZAk - Dec 05, 2005 - 10:49 PM
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ZAk wrote:

no more arguing with you ..

DianaL510 - Dec 05, 2005 - 10:51 PM
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geoff, you don't seem like much of a system fan. no offense.

norkzakarian - Dec 05, 2005 - 10:53 PM
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i agree with Zak... ppl only think this way because they know system has a middle eastern blood.. there's an audio interview where th guy asks daron about this, and daron wasn't concerned at all, he doesn't give a shit, because ppl shape things the way they want...

norkzakarian - Dec 05, 2005 - 11:17 PM
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what kind of bullshit are u on about geoff?
with what your arguing, i can make this statement... "Michael Moore is anti-american too"... where he's actually one of the few people that want peace and justice for his country..

an anti american is someone who cusses all its population, disses the totality of its history, and boycotts all american product....

sooo...hmmm let me see where geoff brought up the idea that system is anti american..

geoff - Dec 05, 2005 - 11:22 PM
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i am a fan of system of a down's music. have been since 1998 when i was in 7th grade. i like their music not their political views. i think those are crazy.

if you are on Michael Moore's side of things their is no saving you. He is a socialist, anti-military and very anti-american. i don't care if he wants peace for his country. Everybody wants peace, sometimes we have to fight back. if peace means not fighting back when you are attacked then i do not want peace. if peace means living in a fantasy land where the U.S caused terrorism and is an oppressive force in the world then i don't want peace. the 60's are over. vietnam is over. this war on terror is not vietnam stop pretending it is.

Michael Moore and his liberal kind do dis on the history of america. they say things like we slaughtered the native americans. and they constantly bring up slavery.

Zak, answer my question please. you can't because you've been spoonfed liberal one liners like "Osama was trained by the CIA" no explanation was ever given to you so you don't have one. Don't be brainwashed.

ZAk - Dec 05, 2005 - 11:37 PM
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geoff wrote:

Don't be brainwashed.

I guess you're the last person on earth who wants to say that !! ..

and I hope you understand plain english :

ZAk wrote:

no more arguing with you ..

geoff - Dec 05, 2005 - 11:53 PM
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can i at least get an explanation as to why no more arguing please.

don't insult me. i would still like an answer to my question. if you answer it i will not respond to it. say whatever you want and ill keep quiet.

DianaL510 - Dec 06, 2005 - 12:43 AM
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Dude, leave Zak alone. He doesn't want to argue.

Systematic - Dec 07, 2005 - 12:57 AM
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Dude, their all pure Armenians. The first official Christians in the World. The have nothing to do with terrorisms.

dogman - Dec 11, 2005 - 05:45 PM
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TERROR ALERT ELEVATED! THE TERRORISTS ARE COMING SOAD ARE TERRORISISTS!

fucking grow up. this is probably the most ignortant thing i have seen on any message board

Cangito - Dec 15, 2005 - 01:42 AM
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solutionzero needs to lay off the weed, wow...

sejdolmaian - Dec 18, 2005 - 11:30 PM
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in my opinion everyone who agrees with solutionzero is a rasist cause i'm almost sure he said that cause they're from armenia (middle eastern) i supouse then you'll think that bands like one called tatu i guess are comunists cause they're from russia, right? Evil or Very Mad

serjion118 - Dec 24, 2005 - 12:29 PM
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"losing small mind and free your life" line in aierials could mean that infact in earth you maybe stupid but in heaven you have a better life heaven is your life on earth your basically just in a waiting room for the next life those of you who do deeds giving your life up for the cause means you can live life earlier i now system of a down may look a tiny bit like terrorists to some stupid shallow people who think anyone foreign is a terrorist (shame on you) but i think this must just be suicide bombing in genral

btw that was very good insite you have realli thought about this i respect u solution zero i think that system are taking the mick i dont think that your segesting that they are terroists i just dont think its about september 11 first of all system are against war and they are passionate about it i love the system they are good guys who write the best music ive ever heard that is very rare

sorifes - Dec 25, 2005 - 10:40 AM
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took me 20 minutes to read all that all I gotta say is...wow...frickin wow...and I agree with Zak back there a ways, their ani-government. But uhhh on topic here, I don't think that was their intentions in the music they made there concidering it came out before and not after 9/11. I personally think that was some pipe dream but still intresting insite.

serjisgod81 - Jan 05, 2006 - 12:53 AM
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OMFG....

"far-far-far left and therefore anti-american. "

so being socialist, or left winged or whatever you want to call it, means that you are anti-american, WTF are you smoking geoff?? I don't want to insult you at all, because even if I do not agree with most of the things you write, and there is a lot of people on this site that does not agree with you, you seem to keep calm and polite and I respect that.... but Zak is right, you seem to mix things up between being anti-government and anti-american

personnally, I am against the american foreign politics, I am against capitalism, anti-war, etc.. but I am not anti-american, I know lovely american people, I am not racist and I never speak against american people...

Quote:

when soad talk about their hatred of capitalism, the american military, and the general way in which americans live i consider that anti-american. they are not terrorists. terrorists probably agree with a lot of their views though.

I totally disagree with this.... I come from Canada and we live in a capitalist society as well as US, Great Britain and a lot of other countries, I am against capitalism as I previously mentionned, but that doesn't make me anti-canadian, anti-british, anti-chinese, or whatever... I do not think SOAD is anti-american at all, come on don't be brainwashed

I think they would be insulted to know they are seen as being anti-american or even worst, terrorists!!, people should be lucid enough to "balance" a little bit of what they are singing about
that is why SOAD is so magical, you can give you own meaning to their songs, but some people try too much

by the way, sorry for my bad english, I am trying as hard as I can

Theoneintheback - Jan 05, 2006 - 01:04 AM
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interesting thinking
i guess....
yeah but
Aerials is about nothing
Chop Suey is pretty much
directly quoting
Father Armani's writing
about the Armenian genocide being
a "self-righteous suicide"
and the whole
"why have you forsaken me"
bit
and
Jet Pilot is about...
y'know......
stuff
I never looked into that song enough
to come up with
a good arguement
its a head-banging song
in my eyes

raihidara - Jan 06, 2006 - 06:54 AM
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Just because you don't agree with the government, or capitalism, or anything doesn't mean you are anti-American. America was built on free thought and free speech. If you believe strongly about anything, you are a true American.

BobRobertson - Jan 09, 2006 - 11:03 PM
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We're all human. The whole idea that we are different, that we should be divided into nations, and some nations are more evil than others is laughable. It's because we are divided into nations that we become paranoid of others because they are different, and we are therefore unsure if we should trust them.

And also..."far-far-far left and therefore anti-american. "
WTF
So only people who are right wing can be truly American? Interesting. You know who else was right wing...HITLER

It's opinions like that which show the time has come for a change

Theoneintheback - Jan 11, 2006 - 01:32 AM
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^ yes
but please don't use a
Hitler
arguement
those are so stupid and
general
there are tons of things you could
apply to hitler
that you could apply
to fairly decent people
and there are lots of
right-wing
folks who are good people.
Please don't generalize
and
stereotype

BobRobertson - Jan 11, 2006 - 05:04 PM
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Sorry, you've got a point.

anderson - Jan 21, 2006 - 04:00 AM
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thats fucking genious dude i never would have thought of ANY THING like that dam how long did it take u 2 think all this shit up lol the first time i read it i was like wtf does this fool have 2 say so i read it and didnt think much of it then i went and smoked some weed and read it again and thought WOAH that dude is fucking smart so my hat goes off 2 u dude post more shit like that i love it i love u i love any and every system of a down fan

anderson_stewart_69@hotmail.com

pizza_pizza_pie - Apr 30, 2006 - 11:50 AM
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dude, you think too much.Do you also think that Steal this album is actually encouraging kids to steal it?

darongirl15 - Apr 30, 2006 - 01:29 PM
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BYOBSpiders wrote:
Damn. People look into lyrics too much!

we have to look in it aren´t we listenig to it?..!i´m always looking..and that kind of a stuff

Happy_Day_Riot - Apr 30, 2006 - 01:40 PM
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One thing - how can Jet Pilot possibly actually relate to 9/11 when it was written about a year before it happened, hmm?

jamps_soad - May 01, 2006 - 02:11 PM
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ye this is cool cos they say we all dont survey the skies right before they go grey so they could be sayin no-one cares about the twin towers untill they get bombed

Happy_Day_Riot - May 01, 2006 - 04:20 PM
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Let's face it, that could work but it can't possibly apply only to the twin towers. Personally I'd place the metaphor of that line as being about the human race not appreciating nature anymore, not manmade structures. We'll only appreciate the beauty of the planet when we're begun to irreversibly destroy it, eg global warming...

alma - May 01, 2006 - 04:37 PM
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Hey everyone! Oh fuck! I can't believe that anyone can dare compare toxicity and soad to fucking terrorism. what do you think, that they are secretly connected with Al-Quaeda, doing jobs for them? Come on, what crap! I can't believe it. Toxicity was released before 9/11, so do you think they had a sort of a vision or what? Or maybe the album was supposed to be a warning, huh? Oh dear, i tell you, you can of course think whatever you want and interpret the texts your way but soad&terrorism? soad&war? THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Happy_Day_Riot - May 01, 2006 - 07:01 PM
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Whilst I tend to agree with you, I must point out that Al-Qaeda are hardly the only terrorist group in the world.

v-malakian - May 08, 2006 - 08:07 PM
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i love SOAD and i agree they r different. but man, u think ALOT how long did it take u to come to a conclusion? WELL APPLAUSE! it does make sense!

*Bulma*lovesSerj - May 08, 2006 - 08:34 PM
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nikZ wrote:

[attention, irony!]

[P.S.: This should not represent a bad opinion against muslims]

Dude, I agree... lame

paulomišan - May 08, 2006 - 09:44 PM
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SOAD are armenian. turks are muslim. turks killed armenians because they weren't muslim. 9/11 bombers were muslim why would SOAD support them ? what the f**k am I talking about ? I' m drunk. I'm going to bed now. fight the heathens to dissagree is not to be a terrorist

~*[claire]*~ - May 09, 2006 - 06:18 PM
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I think that's very interesting, but a massive case of coincidence. Though, congratulations on thinking this up though.

pinkscatdm - May 09, 2006 - 06:41 PM
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Armenians are not middle eastern.
I'm Armenian.

I'm tired of ignorant people making stuff up about Armenian people.

Their Christian people who are white people/Caucasian

Go get an education

~*[claire]*~ - May 09, 2006 - 06:52 PM
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wasn't Armenia the first country to adopt Christianity as its religion?

pinkscatdm - May 09, 2006 - 06:59 PM
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Yes Armenia is the first Christian nation

Also I read Osma Bin laden said he wants to take Armenia and hand it over to Azerbijian.

~*[claire]*~ - May 09, 2006 - 07:19 PM
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I'd like to see him try, the Armenian people would never allow it I don't think

Attack - May 09, 2006 - 08:38 PM
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I dont know why people attack this dude who started the thread. He just said that it was an theory . He didnt say that he thought they were terrorists. He have some good thoughts there but why with 9/11? ALL TERRORIST ATTACKS and other stupid stuff that america is doing to.

We first have to think.. WHY they did it in the first place. They didnt just attack USA for nothing.

ZAk - May 09, 2006 - 09:35 PM
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pinkscatdm wrote:

Also I read Osma Bin laden said he wants to take Armenia and hand it over to Azerbijian.

haha ??

pinkscatdm - May 10, 2006 - 12:45 AM
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I read an article where osama bin laden stated that. He said he wants to take Armenia and hand it over to Azerbijian.

Mr.Gallardo - May 10, 2006 - 02:08 AM
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Good Work, But like serjsbeard said THEY ARE NOT TERRORISTS!!

Blink_Boy_182 - May 10, 2006 - 02:21 AM
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Hey dude!!! You just described the opposite of what systemof a down is....... they are singin about peoples lives.. not a damn secret FBI codex we are hearing... they have never attacked any1 in their lyrics (except "temper" and.. hmmm "war") otherwise... we shudd make what we want out of their lyrics.. as for me.. i make them perfectly well with my own feelings and i can see what they are talking about if u look at peoples problems in the world this day

Attack - May 11, 2006 - 11:56 AM
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I Agree with you Blink_Boy_182.

The songs means deiffeent to diffrent people

~*[claire]*~ - May 11, 2006 - 06:19 PM
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System Of A Down are down with the system, but they aren't terrorists. Enough said.

Vicinity.of.Obscurity - May 11, 2006 - 08:12 PM
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Ok, I'm just going to say this. I am pretty sure that SOAD are not terrorists. They aren't going to bomb a shit load of places in the next three minutes. In fact, I don't think anyone can do that...XP! But, it's probably coincidental and depends on how you look at it. If it helps, you did make a point or two. But...how much free time did you have when you thought of this? Hehehe...sorry...had to ask...

haig - May 12, 2006 - 06:23 AM
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I love how you made that connection, but seriously, when the songs are taken seperately they dont have anything to do with 911. Chopsuey is about Jesus (Read what Jesus said as he died). Ariels is just a song that is general enough to have a different interpretation by everyone. I think Ariels is about how people are freinds during hard times but when they get better its everyone for himself and then back to being togehter the next bad time. As for JetPilot, I cant think of what that is about, but if i had to take a shot its something about how at one point a horse gave you a height advantage in battle adn now and jet does that.

StephlovesDaron - May 14, 2006 - 02:21 AM
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HOW DARE U ACCUSE SYSTEM OF A DOWN OF TERRORISM! JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE AREMENIAN WHICH IS CLOSE TO IRAQ AND THAT HEY HAVE REALLY GOOD LYRICS DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE TERRORISTS! THAT PISSES ME OFF THAT ANYONE WOULD EVER THINK THAT.

Happy_Day_Riot - May 14, 2006 - 10:26 AM
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Yes yes but there's no need for the CAPS, buddy.

Attack - May 14, 2006 - 10:38 AM
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Exactly , take it easy Wink

giggedycool - May 19, 2006 - 03:58 PM
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Actually Serj wrote a long article about the 9/11
If they were (Not saying they are) terrorists then they'd be good ones, Serj hates terrosims, facism, unequal rights and so on..

If they were, he'd be helping by giving him the opposite image, and the guy who wrote the thing at the top
I'd say you're smart, I never even thought about the songs like that, they've inspired me, though.

eyes_of_a_predator - May 23, 2006 - 08:20 PM
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Anomalous wrote:

diegokobe wrote:

i think all people thinking soad are terrorist are very very wrong

I'm just kidding (not about the accuracy of the statement, but about actually saying that to her)....don't want you getting your ass beat. Wink

But I'm just trying to illustrate how far off such an uneducated assumption is. That much, you should get across to her.

Impossibility is estimated at best, and a misguided assumption at worst. Not saying soad is in anyway related to terrorism, but being Armenian doesn't keep them from being an Islamic Fundamentalist. I mean, hell, there are Jews who convert to Islam (I've met one). Once again, not saying that Armenians or SOAD have anything to do with Islamic fundamentalist terrorism. Just pointing out the flaw in the point above. Just because the turks were muslims, doesn't mean that all Armenians are going to hate Islam and its ideals.

pinkscatdm wrote:

Yes Armenia is the first Christian nation

Also I read Osma Bin laden said he wants to take Armenia and hand it over to Azerbijian.

Actually, that's not accurate.
"177-212 Reign of Abgar VIII of Edessa, probably the first Christian king anywhere" When a king converted in early times, it became the official religion of his kingdom.
"301 Armenian king Tiridates I converted by Gregory the Illuminator" A full 100 years after, if you assume Abgar converted part way through his reign, and wasn't already a christian when he took the throne.

http://www.oxuscom.com/timeline.htm

Chicken008 - May 24, 2006 - 03:02 PM
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Maybe hes talking about the genoside(sp?) and terrorists involved with that.

jurgen_malakian - May 24, 2006 - 05:20 PM
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You need some information of the page www.loosechange911.com and you'll see the truth about the 9/11.

Saludos desde venezuela Cool

Skater2000 - May 24, 2006 - 11:28 PM
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First of all I want to say, that soad is an ANTI-WAR, ANTI-TERROR,ANTI-SUFFERING minded Band !!!

Besides that, the terrorist have been planing 9/11 for more than 1 year....So at that time, there was no Toxicity Album out yet!
Apart from that, I don't think that a Band would hide a secret message for an terror activity on an Album!

Pickle-Party - May 26, 2006 - 11:22 PM
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System are not terrorists, if it came out as this in this song maybe they were talking about some other suicide bombing because there hasn't just been 1 in the history of the world.

And second of all 9/11 was planned and there were interior bombs. The american government knew about it. Here are the bombs going off inside the building before the second plane hit.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=X2aJSbSX-...september%2011

and then he was palnning to invade iraq 4 months before 9/11.

soueuana - May 27, 2006 - 07:43 AM
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hahahahahaha
certainty osama listened system before the attacks...

Happy_Day_Riot - May 27, 2006 - 11:53 AM
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Skater2000 wrote:

Apart from that, I don't think that a Band would hide a secret message for an terror activity on an Album!

You've obviously never heard of National Socialist Black Metal.

Attack - May 27, 2006 - 05:35 PM
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Happy_Day_Riot wrote:

Skater2000 wrote:

Apart from that, I don't think that a Band would hide a secret message for an terror activity on an Album!

You've obviously never heard of National Socialist Black Metal.

What's that? Shocked

Happy_Day_Riot - May 27, 2006 - 06:31 PM
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Black Metal bands who promote and believe in the sort of ideals Hitler did and put those messages and ideals in their music.

Basically, they are scum

Attack - May 29, 2006 - 01:37 PM
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Fucking idiots

Pickle-Party - May 31, 2006 - 12:38 AM
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What about socialists?

If your going to diss them keep in mind that I am a socialist and socialism is actually one of the greatest pollitical theories in the world and it was going fine till Stalin- the un-communist bastered- ruined it for us.

So until you have read about it, read the communist manifest, read capital, read some of Lenin's best and took the time, do not be hatin'.

Don't hate without knowledge, its more then a little ignorent.

Happy_Day_Riot - May 31, 2006 - 02:04 AM
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I assure you, five years of studying Hitler and his policies makes me slightly knowledgeable

Besides, National Socialism (ie Nazism) is very different to Socialism. To an extent I agree with Socialist ideas (not all though). To me, anything that recognises and agrees with Nazism is just putrid.

MrSeed - May 31, 2006 - 02:19 AM
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You're all totally deluded. The lyrics in Toxicity stem from many years of injustice and tyranny cause by this country and others. You can believe they're about whatever you want, that's the beauty of their words. But in my opinion and which makes the most sense to me is, anyone who paid any attention to the world up until the events of 9/11 could've predicted it. Alex Jones predicted it a month before it happened and posted it on the internet.

The only terrorists that commited this crime are the people working within the United States government. The Bush Administration has an agenda, and 9/11 allowed them to go ahead with it and scare us into letting them go to war and destroy foreign oil, aka the competition, and maybe even take over the world, or at least most of it. Read up on the facts kids, this country is going to total Hell and if we don't stand up like Bob Marley said and fight for our rights then they will be taken away forever. They're already being taken away daily, read the paper.

So, Toxicity's lyrics have a lot of meanings. The day after 9/11 Serj posted an article he wrote, you may have read it, called Understanding Oil. People from Iraq don't hate freedom. They hate being bombed for rich white men with endless greed. www.prisonplanet.com

Attack - May 31, 2006 - 02:43 PM
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I think our goverment here in Sweden are Socialists.. if it is Socialdemokraterna Razz

some swedish guy know if I'm corect? Razz

Happy_Day_Riot - May 31, 2006 - 03:36 PM
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MrSeed wrote:

Yes, I understand and, in general, agree with all that. There are sings are that there are some dodgy deals in the White House, and it's almost certain this travesty of a war is about oil, and 9/11 proved to be the springboard the admin. sorely needed to launch their assault on the East. And it's DEFINITELY true that rights are being taken away on a near-daily basis - you should see the state of the UK lately.

But I still think it's ludricious to suggest that Toxicity somehow ties in 9/11 at all. Yes, it's true you can construe all 14 songs in many ways, but to try and assert that Jet Pilot is about planes going into the Towers is just.. well, it's just people looking backwards and taking the pieces out of a completed puzzle to try and understand an horrific tragedy. People do it all the time, to find comfort or solace.

But what brings comfort and solace isn't always right.

Attack - Jun 01, 2006 - 10:49 AM
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Happy_Day_Riot wrote:

well, it's just people looking backwards and taking the pieces out of a completed puzzle to try and understand an horrific tragedy. People do it all the time, to find comfort or solace.
But what brings comfort and solace isn't always right.

Hey, I like that part .. thanks for writing that

Pickle-Party - Jun 02, 2006 - 12:30 AM
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And if you knew anything you would know socialism and Hitler have nothing to do with each other.

You would also know that socialism and facism are not the same thing.

And you would also know that Stalin has nothing to do with either. If you would like, I can give you what REAL socialism is about (according to the modern communists who stick with Father Marx's original theories), and it is ok to admit you are wrong or do not know something. It does not make you retarded, it actually means that you are in presuit of knowledge which I am happy to give out to you. Some rude people just threaten me and call me names. I won't bother to argue, when you approach it like that, you are being a fool.

Here are some of our sites. I apologise if the Canadian one is down:

YCLUSA.org

and the canadian one is

ycl-ljc.ca (our mods are very very busy so the layout will be fucked too, maybe)

daronfani - Jun 03, 2006 - 03:31 PM
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adasdasasdasdasddasdasdasdsdadsadasdasdasdasdasdasdasdasdasd

metaliger - Jun 03, 2006 - 04:19 PM
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daronfani wrote:

adasdasasdasdasddasdasdasdsdadsadasdasdasdasdasdasdasdasdasd

What?

BeatMeatMC - Jun 03, 2006 - 04:36 PM
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[/quote]What?[quote]

Same Thing I Was Thinking...Probebly Just Came Here To Mess Around

Attack - Jun 04, 2006 - 12:34 PM
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Yeah becouse that's so fun for some people..

Happy_Day_Riot - Jun 05, 2006 - 07:07 PM
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Pickle-Party wrote:

First, who exactly are you referring to in those first few lines?

And out of curiosity, isn't Marxism and/or Communism an EXTREME view of socialism, as opposed to the 'real' socialism? Or, to put it a far nicer way, an 'undiluted' view?

Attack - Jun 05, 2006 - 09:11 PM
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The idea of communism is the 'equal community' (if I say it the right way) But to get to that they need a dictator. And when the time come to that dictator to leave his power he won't let it go. And there it goes all wrong. I think the idea is great, but its a 'mission impossible'

shavonshavoff - Jun 08, 2006 - 03:53 PM
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It's just cuz they're lyrics sound like it, and they look somewhat middle-eastern(serj does) so they are the perfect target. It's not fair. Sad

Pickle-Party - Jun 08, 2006 - 10:18 PM
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Happy_Day_Riot wrote:

Pickle-Party wrote:

Socialism, marxism, communism and leninism is the same thing. Just differant names and differant leaders.

Leninism really focuses more on human rights then the economy. But Marxism focuses on the economy but the people's rights in the long run. Socialism is just a way of saying 'we are communists but we do not abide by stalin' we call ourselves socialists because somehow it has a better rap with people then communism does. For some reason they think as soon as they hear communism of Stalin. When really Stalin just said he was a communist to get into the presidential office once Lenin died, because people loved Lenin's communism so much.

So really they are all the same thing with minor to no differance.

And thank you, Happy day riot for not going insane on my ass like everyone else does, you are very mature.

Razz

So going a little deeper into that. Lenin did abide by Marx's and Engal's theories to the extent of it all, he was kind, libarated gays, women, children with no filler. He believed everyone deserved rights, just like Marx and Engals. However, he got really sick and had a stroke, he was paralyzed and no longer could keep Stalin out of office (as he did not want him being in any sort of Pollitical power at all, he knew he was ignorent and stupid) but then they made Stalin Secretary of Office I believe it was after he assasinated Trotsky, and Lenin had a cow. Even his alst words to his wife before he died was, do not let him into power.

So then he died, Stalin got in and said 'oh yea I love Lenin and I will rule just like him' so he got the votes, got in, took over the communist party and turned it into the KGB (killing and murdering people) and ruined the good name of communism for ever.

Danke for listening!

onlysolution89 - Jun 09, 2006 - 02:48 AM
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actually, toxicity was released the exact day before 9/11. all of the "messages" are just a coincidence, though. system are about peace

shavonshavoff - Jun 09, 2006 - 03:28 AM
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onlysolution89 wrote:

actually, toxicity was released the exact day before 9/11. all of the "messages" are just a coincidence, though. system are about peace

Exactly. if system is a band about peace, why would they start an entire war?

Happy_Day_Riot - Jun 09, 2006 - 07:57 AM
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Pickle-Party - thanks man. I thought they were all different names for the same thing, but my A level History only mentioned them in passing, Bolshevism is another, isn't it?

Anyway, I'll give all that a read at some point. Got to work (ahahha) now Smile

But why do people go insane on you anyway?

Pickle-Party - Jun 10, 2006 - 12:46 AM
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Well, you should see the way SK fans are about it!

Marx help me! I swear on my nonna that these people just could not read the facts. You should see the Maggot Land forums or the potm forums! They even made a poll opposing communism just because I was defending it. I think I have a right to defend my beliefs at the same time not imposing them on others (that would be so capitalist!! LOL).

No thank YOU!! You truley are a very mature person in presuit on knowledge. And good question.

There is a dispute, right now, between communists who say Bolshevism is the work of Stalin and the KGB (people say, this is entirely through the grapevine, that Stalin got mad at Hitler and Hitler hated stalin so he started killing off Bolshevicks because they were Stalin's KGB members not associated with the Soviet millitary) but others say that Bolshevism was Lenin's Commi Party members that had been corrupted by the Nazis and Stalin. Some people even say that it is not communism at all. Me, I lean back and forth with new proof. lol.

And, oh hunny, don't trust the text books, they are written by the government to please parents, and Liberals, LMFAO!!

Happy_Day_Riot - Jun 10, 2006 - 07:43 AM
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The winners write the history, so I can't imagine there's ever going to be much a fair view on Communism. Not in most European countries anyway.

slipknot9.0 - Jun 11, 2006 - 08:22 PM
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ZAk wrote:

I agree, zak...

cilekeskiz - Jun 14, 2006 - 12:51 PM
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they are only liars!!!i hate them.they are trying to convince people who dont know anything about unreal armenian genocide.but the history never tells lie.it is clear!!!fck them all..

TenFeetTall - Jun 14, 2006 - 01:25 PM
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anyway, 4 days after 9/11 serj realeased "understanding oil" wich was about the hole thing wich (if their was "meseges") contradicts the whole idea.

sony got it deleted 6 days after, but you can still find it if you google around. its interesting. have a look... "...now come inside.."

TenFeetTall - Jun 14, 2006 - 01:29 PM
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cilekeskiz wrote:

they are only liars!!!i hate them.they are trying to convince people who dont know anything about unreal armenian genocide.but the history never tells lie.it is clear!!!fck them all..

i dont actualy understand who your talking about. the goverment.. the turkish.. the armenians or the actual system of a down members. if u are talking about the system of a down, your not going to fit in to well.

be warned..

EDIT: no, actualy im not gona be cool about this, you meadia washed fuck! just go SUCK A FUCK. u oviasly no shit all. people are dead. your people covered it up. i dont care wat u say. an injustified thing has hapend. no genoside can be justified. u cant just say its not real. soad is trying to help. their pulling of the sheets. an unlike most bands they are saying AND dooing. have u seen how they have affected evrything? they made the largest rally in newyork so far. they spread it. now, thou i dout, maybe th world could change. id more people with power chose PEACE OEVR GREED like soad does, then maybe this earth would stop spiraling downwards.

wat your saying is not fair.

cilekeskiz - Jun 14, 2006 - 02:26 PM
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of course i am talking about soad and their lies.of course there was not a genocide.first,u should learn the meaning of genocide,then u can talk and decide what turkish did.they did the best thing for their people and armenians of course.u dont know anything about history.do you suppose to learn it from soad??oh what a pitty..

cilekeskiz - Jun 14, 2006 - 02:29 PM
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and yes,what i said is not fair,just look at this pic which in my signature.it tells the truth...

Nelekeuh - Jun 14, 2006 - 02:38 PM
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u dont know anything about history

I think YOU have to look in other history books then your own history books,
the turkish people (i'm not against them) they deny the genocide!
and soad doesn't lie! if they were, why did they come so far? tell me that!

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first,u should learn the meaning of genocide,then u can talk and decide what turkish did.they did the best thing for their people and armenians of course.

What the turkish did to help the armenians? i don't think killing them is the same as helping them :s

ManGusta - Jun 14, 2006 - 06:45 PM
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Man its a coincedence

Happy_Day_Riot - Jun 14, 2006 - 10:35 PM
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cilekeskiz wrote:

Well obviously a Turkish history book will say the Turks didn't do anything. But "the best for... the Armenians"? Huge massacres of that people, hitting a figure well over a million? I can see your point about the Turkish people saying it was the best for them, because that is how they would view removing their neighbours from their closest land. But mass butchering, good for the victims? Yes, of course.

And before you tell me System are liars and that I know no history and that there was definitely no genocide, forget it. I've spent plenty of time reading what evidence there is and a damn sight more evidence points to genocide than does no genocide. And before you say I don't know what genocide means and try to tell me it means "total extermination of a race, and there was no genocide because there are still Armenians alive" you can forget that as well, because that is a literal, specific, unjudged definition of a big word.

In fact, what the hell does this have to do with this Toxicity thread?

serjtk - Jun 15, 2006 - 12:52 AM
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Well it saounds like a good theory...but in a lot of their songs they talk about god so i dont know what message they are trying to send.

TenFeetTall - Jun 15, 2006 - 09:00 AM
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cilekeskiz wrote:

and yes,what i said is not fair,just look at this pic which in my signature.it tells the truth...

firstly, your the speaking bull shit, secondly, im not wiling to have a proper conversation with u till lern proper grammer mr "they, bad. they cheat. my grandmother, she know.." ect. if u wanna make a point stop talking out of cour arse.

your knowlege and grammer are gay all.

and about me not noing about wat genocide means then that crap to. i even looked it up to make sure. say have a cry. hm, the diliberat obliteration of a cultural group. k. evry1 else got that?

so fuck of u egotistical fuck. your beilevs are rong plain rong. so piss off

Happy_Day_Riot - Jun 15, 2006 - 11:15 AM
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TenFeetTall it's a bit bull to lecture someone on their grammar when yours is just as bad.

Nelekeuh - Jun 15, 2006 - 03:34 PM
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cilekeskiz, for you, don't say there wasn't a genocide

cilekeskiz - Jun 15, 2006 - 08:10 PM
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oh,my grammar is not fair now, because english is not my main language.can not you understand it you wiseacre?f we spoke turkish with u,i would explain everything better.
anyway.i didnt learn history from our history books.i and most of turkish students like searching our and other countries histories.so we prepare thesises,searching different sources.and when i say there was not genocide,i am serious.
Armenian allegations of genocide have never been historically or legally substantiated.it is clear.they only slander us to be able to take indemnity and some lands.
armenians lived in Ottoman Empire thowsands of years in peace.they are free to choose their religions.they had lots of opportunities and they worked in turkish ministry in high positions.it led about 800 years.but when Ottoman Empire started to collapsa,Armenians wanted to rescue.Russians provoked them against turkish.so armenians rebelled and they killed thowsands of innocent turkish poeple.pregnant womens,babies,childrens..u can see a pic in my signature and it is completely true.we have evidences.so turkish government forced them to migrate out of the country or other cities in country.but some of armenians didnt want to go,they rebelled.tehey prefferred to fight.and a war happened between nation.it was NOT a genocide.turkish killed armenian rebels and armenians killed them.who are right do u think?that is why i said "turkish did the best thing."
but armenians never accept it.because they have a goal.they want to convince people a genocide in order to take indemnity from us.
i never make fit.all sources say the same thing and armenians who live in our country accept it.because they are turks as we are.they are honest as we are.
anyone can search for what im saying.they re completely true.if u knew turkish,i would explain better.

please accept your lies!!!

Vicinity.of.Obscurity - Jun 15, 2006 - 08:34 PM
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cilikeskiz: Well...a few things [dont' worry, I'm not going to diss your beleifs.]

1. Don't try to force your beleifs down our throats. If you explained it in a better way, then you might just get a better reaction.

2. It's probably wise not to go onto a System of a Down fan website and diss them. Are you honestly looking to get into trouble? In my opinion, it'd be wiser to take your buisness elsewhere, instead of here where all you're doing is bitching on a fan site. That's not going to get you any place at all.

3. Please accept that not everyone is going to beleive you when you talk this way about a band to their fans, and try to force your beleifs. Not all of SOAD's messages happen to be about the Armenian Genocide, a lot are just about everyday life, angst, how some people see things, and such. I strongly beleive you should take your buisness elsewhere.

4. If there was no genocide, why are there educational channels speaking to us about a piece of history that doesn't exist? I beleive there was a genocide, because a lot of evidence points to it. One Million people don't die overnight because of some plauge. But, either way, this bickering isn't going to get anyone anywhere.

Sorry if this sounded harsh, but I am in a bad mood today, and I was just trying to get my two cents across.

cilekeskiz - Jun 15, 2006 - 08:37 PM
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and Nelekeuh,it is not a validity evidence.they are only try to convine people to their lies.we have lots of REAL evidences about first armenians started to kill them. and if i find,i ll immediately give links.

how can it be a genocide??did we try to destroy this nation ??our ancestors-dignified ancestors -protected themselves.rebel armenians were a big threat for them.so they forced to migrate.it is normal.if one were in our shoes,he would do the same thing.but as i said,armenians have a different goal.

cilekeskiz - Jun 15, 2006 - 08:47 PM
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Quote:

2. It's probably wise not to go onto a System of a Down fan website and diss them. Are you honestly looking to get into trouble? In my opinion, it'd be wiser to take your buisness elsewhere, instead of here where all you're doing is bitching on a fan site. That's not going to get you any place at all.

yes,maybe you are right about this.but,have u seen holy mountains video clip??i am not sure if soad did it or not but when i watched it,i got really shocked and angry of course.because they say us and our army liars,killers.and they insult our legendary leader Ataturk.how dare??no one can do this-even soad!!if u were me,what would you feel?

and according to evidences,300 hundreds of armenian killed by turkish but the number of killed turkish are much more than this number ..2 million..and Azeri

cilekeskiz - Jun 15, 2006 - 09:04 PM
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i will never write here any more.because i see it is not help.u ll not change your mind and armenians never accept the truth but God knows.we know.continue to try persuading people to lies armenia but do not forget innocent turkish who u killed in erzincan,gumushane.they are real..

TenFeetTall - Jun 15, 2006 - 11:22 PM
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sry bout the grammer bit . i was bored.

anyway. im no histry nerd so i realy dont no exactly wat hapend. but for you to say the the turkish helped the armenians, that realy got me. and for you to say thad soad is evil and watever, its just not right. i bealive what soad is dooing is right.

im sry i frustrated your quest, but dint you think by sending out those kinds of things on a sight where atleast 90% of people are strong soad followers that you would have got a bit of negative feed back?

are bealives arnt realy gona change time at this point, so i dont real care.
i wont jump infront of you next time you say somthing of that style again, but dont expect to much positives from people now on.

so do we have peace again on soadfans? anyway, how did armenian genocide fit into a terororist mesege on toxicity?

rayneofblackroses - Jun 16, 2006 - 06:41 AM
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Ugh *made it to page 8 and got fed up with reading ignorance* The person who started the thread never even implied that SOAD were terrorists, just that the lyrics COULD BE applied to terrorist ideas, just as they can be applied to just about anything else, But people are in here 'U ned 2 die!' 'Go run into a knife!' etc, and generally being stupid. geoff pissed me off with his preaching of 'everyone to the left is anti-american' which is absolute bullshit, because believing in peace and not liking Bush doesn't mean you hate America. He also said something about "BOOM!" being anti american, but all the lyrics he posted, except for the one that specifically names america, could be applied to any of the capitalist countries of the world.

The idea on the lyrics is interesting, and, if given the chance, a good opportunity to think and imagine and what not. And whoever said the thing about Chop Suey, I'm gonna go check that out

LonelyPsychoGR - Jun 16, 2006 - 02:49 PM
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turkish have done many things to greek!
they did war n had greece 400 years!they took childern....,raped women n etc....these things are so far away from today but they still ve a worng position.THEY did war to Cyprus n kill many greeks who were living there!they re coming to greece with their fighting planes(f16 etc n 2 weeks ago they killed 1 greek pilot!What can we do?PEOPLE aren't responsible for all these SHIT but the "BIG ONES"There isn't a bad country BUT only bad people

Pickle-Party - Jun 17, 2006 - 01:38 AM
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You all need to shut the fuck up.

Every single on of you.

OPINIONS ARE NOT ILLEAGL! If they were, I would be locked up, as would you all.

YOu can all have your opinons, do not act on them if they are going to HURT other people.

cilekeskiz, you can have your opinion and I do not condemn you for it, ok? But do you see how it is not wise to come on this site and diss us (being fans of an Armenian-American band) and compleatly disreagard what we say? Huh? Ok? I understand you have your theory, just please do pick your mountain to fight on, ok?

And to the rest of you involved in this little diddy, shut up. Please, save time, internet costs, and post space and just shut up. You guys need to understand that this guy/girl is obviously hooked on what he/she is saying and when someone has something inplanted in her/his mind, do not waste time trying to dig it out and replant. ok? I mean, if it was a sucessful thing to do, Stalin would not have kept his presidency, neither would have Bush. Correct?

Alright. BACK ON TOPIC!

metaliger - Jun 17, 2006 - 02:30 AM
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Jesus Christ, whatever the fuck your name is (Turkish guy), stop fucking posting multiple times, you made like 4 or 5 posts in a row. And I'm serious when I say this, leave this site now. This is for fans of SOAD you ignorant fool.

Pickle-Party - Jun 17, 2006 - 02:35 AM
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SHUT UP METALIGER!

DID YOU NOT READ THE POST?

Read the marxdamn post. Respect. R-E-S-P-E-C-T... FInd out what it means to everyone.

And ignorance is bliss, buddy, ignorence is bliss, and by not respecting other's opinons about cirtain issues, you are being just as ingorent, no? Express your anger in a non-hurty way.

okok... Me and rayne made a little siggy thing to spite you, however,I will take out your name and leave it there because I fukken love it.

Now for the last time to all of you ignorent-on-top-of-ignorent basterds.

BACK ON TOPIC.

metaliger - Jun 17, 2006 - 02:43 AM
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NO YOU SHUTUP!!!

LOL, j/k

But seriously I was basically posting just to tell him not to quadruple post, I just added that part to the end

whiteboi3 - Jun 17, 2006 - 06:57 AM
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u kno wut shutup this is a stupid post.....screw this!!!

Make_A_Fist - Jun 19, 2006 - 03:21 AM
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This thread is causing too much tension. Can we just close it?

metaliger - Jun 19, 2006 - 03:26 AM
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Good idea

36dam36 - Jul 03, 2006 - 03:00 AM
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so,um,

!!!!!!!!!!!!!who knows about the messages?maybe they are real!!!!!!!!!!
i hope all have found peace in this topic again and no more SHUT UP METALIGER's.im not mad.i just hope this topic doesnt get us into some kind of fight. back to topic

please!!!!

leilaerkani - Jul 03, 2006 - 03:57 AM
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i agree with zak, abt flexible meanings. they always say "its what it means to u that matters" etc. i dont know, some of those themes seem universal. like most ppl can relate at least metaphorically to suicide i think, and with the nature of our egos it makes sense that it would get involved somehow therefore "self-righteous"...? i think it would be taking it far too literally to see it as directly correlating to terrorism, but ya can if ya want i suppose. i dont think aerials is abt that at all! just because it has the word "sky" in it doesnt mean anything! and i know this is taboo to say but terrorists are humans as well and some of what may be included in their psychology could be present in everyone, does that make sense? plz dont flame me for that i am in no way an advocate of terrorism, at all, please dont misunderstand

leilaerkani - Jul 03, 2006 - 05:11 AM
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geoff wrote:

Madonna is anti-american. most of the entertainment industry is far-far-far left and therefore anti-american. anti-war does not equal anti-american.

when soad talk about their hatred of capitalism, the american military, and the general way in which americans live i consider that anti-american. they are not terrorists. terrorists probably agree with a lot of their views though.

what exactly are you referring to when you say "un-american"? what defines america? system of a down and its members are americans and part of america! so are many, many others who have nothing at all to do with the military or anything like that, as far as i know--or at least they do not support its function.

Malakianfan - Jul 03, 2006 - 04:57 PM
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its just a coincidence.

bluemoon - Jul 10, 2006 - 05:10 PM
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i really don't think its just "coincidence." Look at Jet Pilot; "his remorse, was that he couldn't survey the skies right before, right before they turned gray, my source and my remorse, flying over a great bay." Even Deer dance has a sort of message: "...war staring you in the face....dressed in black." I don't know how, but it seems that soad was foretelling the events to come. It all seems like almost the entire album is a puzzle, with pieces hidden within each song.

But I espically can't get over hearing "9/11!" in the background of Chop Suey! I'm not saying OMG! SOAD ARE TERRORISTS! I just personally think that its more than just coincidence.

What's even more unnerving than that is the intro line: "We're rolling suicide."

rolling: combination of rotation of a shpericaly symmetric object (airplane) in contact with a surface (trade center) without either sliding; A rolling object can be used as a tool for transportation.

36dam36 - Jul 10, 2006 - 09:59 PM
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psychics????????or what????????it seems they predicted the attack!!!!!!!!i may be able to predict what episodes of my favorite shows are on some times,but notin like this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WAR?NOMORE! - Jul 10, 2006 - 10:04 PM
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I agree with bluemoon ^. I heard the "911" two different times after each "grab a brush and put on a little makeup". It doesn't mean soad are terrorists but, man, it's very coincidental.

Malakianfan - Jul 10, 2006 - 10:06 PM
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wat do u mean u heard 911?

kombucha_guy - Jul 10, 2006 - 10:07 PM
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Ugh....what a thread.

Can't you see that Serj is against terrorism and even the band members actually give a shit about this world? (See Boom! video). I don't know about you guys, but there are obviously NO terrorist message on the Toxicity album.

Malakianfan - Jul 10, 2006 - 10:10 PM
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kombucha_guy wrote:

the boom video was a cover-up. lol jk. hes right they are extremely against war and everything like that so there is no way they have terrorist messages.

bluemoon - Jul 10, 2006 - 10:10 PM
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I didn't say they were psychic; fortell doesn't nessecarily mean predict. it means to tell of or indicate beforehand.

WAR?NOMORE! - Jul 10, 2006 - 10:14 PM
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listen to chop suey with headphones on or just turn down the bass on your stereo. Listen after the "grab a brush and put on a little makeup" or "why'd you leave the keys on the table" cant remember which one it is but you can clearly hear during the silence "911" it sound like Shavo saying it too.
I'm not saying SOAD are terrorists either. I agree that serj is very anti war. BUT this is kinda weird to me and others as well.

bluemoon - Jul 10, 2006 - 10:43 PM
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Can't you see that Serj is against terrorism and even the band members actually give a shit about this world? (See Boom! video). I don't know about you guys, but there are obviously NO terrorist message on the Toxicity album.

Your not comprehending what i'm saying. I am not convicting soad as terrorists, or supporters of terrorism. I am saying that there is messages attached with ironic lyrics that describe the people and events involved in 9/11. Deer Dance warns of war staring you in the face...dressed in black Jet Pilot describes the event itself, while Chop Suey describes the thought process of the suicide pilots; while a voice in the background yells "9/11!"

if that isn't enough evidence itself, then re-read my first post about the meaning of "we're rolling suicide."

Quote:

rolling: combination of rotation of a shpericaly symmetric object (airplane) in contact with a surface (trade center) without either sliding; A rolling object can be used as a tool for transportation.

I personally believe it is a warning or an unveiling of the events to come, while Deer Dance and Prison Song describe the dire outlook of America, caused by the actions of its people and government, creating a negative perception (of America) viewed by many other nations (and even by some of its own people); perhaps resulting into the 9/11 attacks.

I also believe that there are more messages to be found in Toxicity, whether be by sound or lyrics. I do not believe the messages are in a threating manner, but more of an revealing, or, warning tone.

kombucha_guy - Jul 10, 2006 - 10:48 PM
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Goddamn, man.

Sure the lyrics sound kinda odd. But there is a deep meaning to it and it definitely is not about terrorism.

Stealthisname - Jul 10, 2006 - 11:58 PM
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Although you make a point,and I must say only the very creative could think about all this.I couldnt help but think that their ancestory has something to do with this.I bet you wouldnt think that if they werent "middle eastern dudes" .System of a down arent terrorists and they dont support them either.They are against war, they're all for peace.
Toxicity came out a week before 9/11 ,and I doubt they hold any supernatural ablities to see into the future....lol

36dam36 - Jul 11, 2006 - 02:35 PM
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bluemoon wrote:

I didn't say they were psychic

i know. I was saying they were psychic,not saying you did.
but Very Happy

predicts you will post on here again.and use vowels!!!!!!!!!!lol.

burningsystem - Jul 12, 2006 - 08:59 PM
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I beleive you did your research, but who knows... I do know that system of a down is against all terrorism (look back at the 'Boom!' song) and im pretty sure the Jet Pilot song is just about bombings..

bluemoon - Jul 13, 2006 - 01:37 AM
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Just recently i re-watched both the Chop Suey! music video and my SOAD DVD containing numerous concert performances (including Chop Suey!). I figured the whole "9/11!" yell might've just been a fluke on the album, but it is not the case.

First, I re-watched SOAD's Live Chop Suey! performance at "Astoria." Sure enough, after the first line of "grab a brush and put on a little makeup," Serj turns his head quickly towards Shavo and whispers "...9/11...."

2nd, I watched the Chop Suey! performance at Big Day Out. Right after the "makeup" part, Serj quickly turns and points to Shavo; the camera then immediately goes to Shavo. By the time Shavo is shown on camera, he is pointing back at Serj in the process of saying something- 9/11. I swear to you i put my remote on 1/4th FF and read his lips and made out the word "...eleven..."

I then watched the Chop Suey! music video. Although the "we're rolling suicide" part is cut, you can still hear "9/11!" in the background twice. I also payed very close attention to all members of SOAD while the hearing the "9/11!" part.

On the part where Serj, Shavo, and Daron are all fading back and forth as one, i noticed that everyone was casually moving around (not looking into the camera) during the "grab a brush..." part, but while I heard the 9/11! yell in the background, Daron flipped his head straight up, staring into the camera with a demonic look on his face.

Also, on the last "Truuuusssssst, Iiiiinnnnn, Myyyyyyy!" part, Serj is shown on a platform, with his arms stretched out (while the camera moves in a circular motion), reminiscent of a plane.

WAR?NOMORE! - Jul 13, 2006 - 03:04 AM
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I have to agree with bluemoon^. I Watched the Astoria concert and chop suey video and noticed the same thing. You can clearly hear "911" after "Grab a brush and put on a little makeup" (During the silent pause).

All of you keep saying "SOAD AREN'T TERRORISTS" and "WATCH THE BOOM VIDEO"
I totally agree. However, just because they are anti-war, doesn't mean there isn't a connection with the lyrics and the time of the release date of the album.

Also, since most of you aren't convinced yet, why would Serj say "We're rolling suicide"? If you understand what rolling suicide means, you'll understand that it means that a symmetrical object coming into force with an object. The rolling part means a type of transportation. Think about it- A type of transportation (plane) having impact with another object (trade center). This is only a theory though.

If i'm wrong, explain how the lyrics could be about something else. It just seems too ironic.

bluemoon - Jul 13, 2006 - 04:50 AM
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Quote:

it means that a symmetrical object coming into force with an object. The rolling part means a type of transportation. Think about it- A type of transportation (plane) having impact with another object (trade center). This is only a theory though.

actually, more of an object coming into translation with a surface. A rolling object is a tool for transportation, which can withold things inside of it. Also, rolling can be reffered to a maneuver in which an airplane makes a single complete rotation about its longitudinal axis without changing direction or losing altitude.

36dam36 - Jul 13, 2006 - 02:54 PM
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i gotta hear this "911"thing!!!
im tellin ya they predicted 911! they can see into the future!see things thevee never seen! but at least we all cant right?unless one of you can like predict wat color pants im wearin at the time i posted this or some thing.long live armenian psychics!!!!!!!!!!!

OLSGS - Jul 14, 2006 - 03:22 AM
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Their songs in Toxicity album were written before 9/11. Maybe they are prophets and God told them in their subconscious mind to write it to deliver to the world but the album was too late. Hmm.. Now there's a thought.

leilaerkani - Jul 14, 2006 - 04:43 AM
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maybe they somehow knew about it before hand...like the u.s. government did, i've heard.

2eroSOAD - Jul 14, 2006 - 02:26 PM
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Fuck terrorism

2eroSOAD - Jul 14, 2006 - 02:30 PM
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Fuck terrorism,yeah, but what we are talking about Chop Suey! is very strange...

toxicity1193 - Jul 14, 2006 - 06:02 PM
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wow? ... wait are you accusing soad of being the people who inspired the terrorist bc there not and it started way before soad even made the album anger

AHHH_SOAD - Jul 14, 2006 - 06:18 PM
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rofl dude why would you even think that system has terrorist views... system is so anti-terror its almost funny lol!

iron_this - Jul 15, 2006 - 12:34 AM
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They hate war y would they be with terrorism

bluemoon - Jul 15, 2006 - 04:47 AM
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Your not comprehending what i'm saying. I am not convicting soad as terrorists, or supporters of terrorism. I am saying that there is messages attached with ironic lyrics that describe the people and events involved in 9/11.

Read the post before you respond.

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maybe they somehow knew about it before hand...like the u.s. government did, i've heard.

^^^ Thats my perspective.

metaliger - Jul 15, 2006 - 05:25 AM
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toxicity1193 wrote:

wow? ... wait are you accusing soad of being the people who inspired the terrorist bc there not and it started way before soad even made the album anger

Did you even read the fucking thread?

leilaerkani - Jul 15, 2006 - 05:33 AM
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bluemoon wrote:

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Read the post before you respond.

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maybe they somehow knew about it before hand...like the u.s. government did, i've heard.

^^^ Thats my perspective.

oh sorry

Queen_Eve - Jul 15, 2006 - 05:37 AM
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Well, here is an idea. Maybe their lyrics do have some sense of ironic timing. Maybe when they get stoned together they start receiving mystical assistance from spirits that tell them future events and they are too stoned to remember later that part of the creative process.

Or maybe they are psychic and lyrics are how they express the things that come to them.

Or maybe... just maybe... people are putting way too much thought into the lyrics.

Im liking the music, but seriously.... alot of their songs seems to be a collusion of random words or phrases to an interesting melodic arrangement. If this was the 60s/70s, I would say its beatnik poetry.

SOAD are not terrorists. That would require them to a) believe so strongly in an idea that they are willing to resort to violence to preach/defend such ideas; and b) belief in a religious faith that condones or supports the use of violence to spread its message. Considering that they are very very much into the ideal of universal peace and understanding, I sincerely doubt that they would support anything that contradicts those ideals.

bluemoon - Jul 15, 2006 - 08:03 AM
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Or maybe... just maybe... people are putting way too much thought into the lyrics.

If you were a real "SOAD Fan" you would know that SOAD's lyrics are meant to have a deeper meaning behind the actual words. Its made to put alot of thought into. Its not to be taken for its literal meaning.

36dam36 - Jul 15, 2006 - 02:03 PM
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you doubt soad's a group of sychics? sometimes i can predict wat episodes of my favorite tv shows will be on tv.and you have to be somewaht of a sychics to sense ghosts in your house.guess what? i do.so they might too...ya know if serj daron shavo or john was nice, thay would join here and tell us.lol.

Queen_Eve - Jul 17, 2006 - 02:05 AM
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I am sensitive to things myself. I am aware of ghosts and other people's emotions and thoughts. Im not saying people arent psychic. I was making a tongue-in-cheek comment that perhaps they are all psychic and thats how their album managed to contain references in it that 'seem' related to the attacks.

36dam36 - Jul 17, 2006 - 02:20 AM
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ooh!can you guess what i am eating?lol.

Queen_Eve - Jul 17, 2006 - 02:34 AM
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I could guess, but it would be nothing but a guess.

Chicken?

36dam36 - Jul 17, 2006 - 02:43 AM
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cracker jacks...
but i still believe the "im sensitive to that stuff too"thing!
soad are sychics just like my tv thing...
cool avatar.it looks even cooler when my computer doesnt show every picture on it blurry.not your fault.
my computer and ISP (internet service provider)'s fault.but cool avatar!
new here huh? ENJOY THE SITE!!!!!!!!yes i talk a lot. i know...lol

Happy_Day_Riot - Jul 17, 2006 - 10:15 AM
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Ummm psychic? Now this is just getting borderline stupid...

If someone were psychic and sensed something like 9/11, do you not think they would a) TELL SOMEONE, or b) milk it afterwards and get on TV with lucrative book deals?

Queen_Eve - Jul 18, 2006 - 06:36 AM
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That was the point. The comment was tongue-in-cheek, because someone noticed that the album lyrics seemed to have themes connected to the 9/11 attacks. Therefore, I was making a comment as to possible reasons why.

I still think that it is because people are putting too much thought into some of their work. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

toxicity1193 - Jul 19, 2006 - 06:26 PM
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Are you sure that toxicity didnt come out 1-2 weeks after 911 i swore it came out after if it came before................. thats creepy but it could be like a coinsadince

toxicity1193 - Jul 19, 2006 - 06:30 PM
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Donteathefish wrote:

Oh shit, sorry for the double post! haha

err u just made it a triple post hahahahah i forgive u!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ha

Happy_Day_Riot - Jul 20, 2006 - 08:54 AM
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toxicity1193 wrote:

Are you sure that toxicity didnt come out 1-2 weeks after 911 i swore it came out after if it came before................. thats creepy but it could be like a coinsadince