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Posted: Jun 25, 2008 - 03:21 AM
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onlysolution89 wrote:
as a resident of a capitalist country, i.e. the united states, i can easily pinpoint the problems. for one, the government is rampant with corruption and subversion. may i remind you of the iran-contra affair? the manhattan project?
the thing that pisses me off about the iran-contra issue was the fact that george h.w. bush pardoned oliver north and all the other people involved in selling bombs to the iranians. again, corruption problems. when you make achieving the presidency into a competition, every new leader is a new risk.
what do you all think?
Many things pissed me off about the Iran-Contra operation. I was quite the activist in those days, active in the Sanctuary movement, Pledge of Resistance--basically doing what I could to educate others about the US funded slaughter down there, helping refugees, organizing benefits to raise money for hospitals & toys and meds for Nicaraguan children.
The Iran Contra situation gave everyone who bothered to pay attention an opportunity to see the US shadow government operate in a very flagrant way. We didn't have the Internet back then, but alternative mags like The Progressive, The Guardian (not the Brit paper, but the US paper), The Nation and National Public Radio did a remarkable job of telling what was really going on down there. The Catholic and Presbyterian Churches, as well as the Mennonites and Society of Friends also worked to spread the news.
This "shadow government" circumvented the Boland Amendment to send "aid" to those butcher governments that were slaughtering their poor to keep them under control. And it wasn't just the US who was involved. There was an organization called the World Anti-Communist League which involved Taiwan, Israel, the US and some other countries. They were involved in keeping the war going in Central America.
The Central American conflicts during the 1980s were never about communism vs capitalism. They were about elite rulers keeping their countries' poor down--and the poor struggling for survival and for just a few rights. Back in the 70s & 80s the Guate Army would go up a mountain, slaughter a few dozen or a hundred Indian civilians (children, old people, everyone, ...) and report that they'd just killed a few dozen or a hundred Communists. Communists? Many of those they killed couldn't even read, let alone defend a communist treatise!
Man, the flood of arms that Reagan/Bush poured into Central America/Southern Mexico continues to feed the violence in that region today--on many different levels.
In any event that "shadow government," or the Empire, as Coz calls it, has a tighter grip on power than ever. As far as any risk associated with a new President goes, I consider them all to be players in the Empire. US Presidents are just puppets serving the masters that really run things behind the scenes. That's just my opinion. |
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Posted: Jun 25, 2008 - 05:23 PM
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^ and it is because of this that the revolution in Cuba is so important, the fact that for the first time the people of South or Central America were able to resist the Empire
the sad fact is that much of the truth about what the US has done to/in Cuba is not even reported in the West or most of the world, so for Cuba it is as if they are fighting alone most of the time
but kudos for the work in Nicaragua, as for the conflict not being about communism but the elite against the poor is that not in keeping with the class war as Marx put it? i mean what system would the workers and poor of the world support if not socialism?
as for this shadowy collective behind the US centres of power i think their power is eroding as we see China dominate global markets and to sort of out invest the US as the American economy weakens it will lose it's superpower status as it's global strength diminishes
we are even seeing this in Africa and South America, the US can no longer do as it used to- failing to oust Hugo Chavez on several occasions etc |
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Posted: Jun 26, 2008 - 02:34 AM
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partisan_3 wrote:
^ and it is because of this that the revolution in Cuba is so important, the fact that for the first time the people of South or Central America were able to resist the Empire
Yes, the Cuban revolution was a great inspiration to Central America's poor through the 60s, 70s and 80s. Words can't express the strength and hope Castro's speeches gave my husband as he was growing up in the Guatemalan war zone.
partisan_3 wrote:
the sad fact is that much of the truth about what the US has done to/in Cuba is not even reported in the West or most of the world, so for Cuba it is as if they are fighting alone most of the time
True.
partisan_3 wrote:
but kudos for the work in Nicaragua, as for the conflict not being about communism but the elite against the poor is that not in keeping with the class war as Marx put it? i mean what system would the workers and poor of the world support if not socialism?
As for the activism, it was the least that I could do. My taxes were paying for torture rape and murder in Central America.
As for the rest of the paragraph, class war predates Karl Marx. Just look at the French revolution and the US revolution. Oppression of the poor by an elite played a big role in both of those events. I don't think the US population would go for Marxism. Brainwashing from the 1950s still lingers. I could see the US breaking up, or people going for a confederacy rather than the type of republic we're supposed to have now.
partisan_3 wrote:
as for this shadowy collective behind the US centres of power i think their power is eroding as we see China dominate global markets and to sort of out invest the US as the American economy weakens it will lose it's superpower status as it's global strength diminishes
I was kind of tired when I made last night's post. I think the shadow government here in the US is just something under the power of the Illuminati, which I understand (perhaps mistakenly) to be more of a secret global governing body. Yes, the US is going to cease to be a superpower, but I believe that this may be part of the Illuminati's orchestration.
partisan_3 wrote:
we are even seeing this in Africa and South America, the US can no longer do as it used to- failing to oust Hugo Chavez on several occasions etc
I pray that the US will no longer meddle in Latin America as it did throughout the 20th century. I certainly wish my own country no harm, but I would love to see how those countries are able to develop on their own. |
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Posted: Jul 16, 2008 - 06:30 AM
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The U.S. will constantly meddle in Latin America. Our mighty politicians fighting those dirty rotten drugs! There's always the war being fought for PR(Public Relations). And what better way for an upcoming governor than to say "I will take drugs off the streets," and "I will take more money from you to pay for useless things at your schools and call it education."
As long as the drugs are there, the U.S. will be there. |
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Posted: Jul 16, 2008 - 12:47 PM
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Posted: Jul 18, 2008 - 09:06 AM
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Wooh Wooh! Go Teddy Roosevelt. 100 years later, and the navy is still kicking ass.  But yeah, if anyone would kindly telegraph Venezuela and tell them to hide their barrels underground... |
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