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Posted: Apr 09, 2007 - 03:46 AM  Post
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Posted: Apr 09, 2007 - 03:49 AM  Post
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The prison system. There is another num-nuts idea. Holding criminals in a pen at the cost of the tax-payer, then let them out and watch 70% of them come right back. Set those people to work. Make use of them. Send them to underdeveloped parts of the world and have them build infrastructure. Donate their labor to the UN for the length of their sentence. The UN is a completely fucked organization, but it does do some good in the world. Way too inefficient for my liking, but I figure inmates helping out is better than them sitting in a pen with other criminals, just being a drain on the tax dollar.


That actually sounds like a good idea. I've never thought of that before. The only problem with that would be that if the inmate managed to escape from their detainment there would be almost no way of tracking them down again.. and now you've got murderers from America running around underdeveloped countries.

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Posted: Apr 09, 2007 - 03:55 AM  Post
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That actually sounds like a good idea. I've never thought of that before. The only problem with that would be that if the inmate managed to escape from their detainment there would be almost no way of tracking them down again.. and now you've got murderers from America running around underdeveloped countries.

Ever seen a chain gang? You can deliver care packages with your ankle strapped to another person and a guard right behind the line of inmates.

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My taxes? They come right back to me.

No. They do not.

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Posted: Apr 09, 2007 - 03:59 AM  Post
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That actually sounds like a good idea. I've never thought of that before. The only problem with that would be that if the inmate managed to escape from their detainment there would be almost no way of tracking them down again.. and now you've got murderers from America running around underdeveloped countries.

Ever seen a chain gang? You can deliver care packages with your ankle strapped to another person and a guard right behind the line of inmates.


The problem is that some will escape no matter what you do. If prisoners are kept within the US and they escape, the local police force can track them down. We can't force another country's police force to track down somebody down for us. Also, chain gangs have been all but eliminated (for no good reason btw), so that simply won't happen.

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Posted: Apr 09, 2007 - 08:55 AM  Post
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No. The demand was for the US to do something.

No, there was no such thing from the Sudani Gov't but if the opposition asked for such a thing it is just to push Albashir's admin and embarass them.
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It works better when individuals are responsible for themselves instead of Big Brother.

well then I have to borrow this argument of yours and use it " It works better when Other countries are responsible for themselves instead of Big Brother [U.S.A] . "
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How free is the 'free world' when dominated by "coorporation USA"?

Are you talking about globalization, meaning the spread of American products. Or American military conflicts? Which one?

Because the corporations have no power if there is not a demand for what they do.

ok, how about that, how free i the free world when it is dominated by the U.S? economically and culturaly?
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Since when has dumping money on something ever fixed anything?? Give more money to the schools? They can't manage money. They'll buy laptops for teachers, they'll put a TV, DVD, and Mac in every room, they'll put thousand dollar projectors in the ceiling for god knows what

won't it be better than fucking other up?
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The prison system. There is another num-nuts idea. Holding criminals in a pen at the cost of the tax-payer, then let them out and watch 70% of them come right back. Set those people to work. Make use of them. Send them to underdeveloped parts of the world and have them build infrastructure. Donate their labor to the UN for the length of their sentence. The UN is a completely fucked organization, but it does do some good in the world. Way too inefficient for my liking, but I figure inmates helping out is better than them sitting in a pen with other criminals, just being a drain on the tax dollar.

Totally agree.
 
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Posted: Apr 09, 2007 - 02:36 PM  Post
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Simon, I did not see rightwinger bash France, I truly did not. I thought he was just using France as an example. I am asking this question in all seriousness and not to be spiteful; did Darfur petition the Netherlands for help in any way (they could have for all I know, but, I truly do not).

Hoff, chain gangs were brought back in the southern United States maybe a decade or 15 years ago. I do not know if they have again been abolished, but, in some states, they were brought back, AND, keep in mind that other countries have a more primative and effective, often brutal and mislabled, "barbaric," justice system. I am sure a chain gang in those countries would not be that foreign, or if it is, not that unwelcome.

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Posted: Apr 09, 2007 - 07:10 PM  Post
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^^ I remember seeing a special on 20/20 or something like that that "rights activists" have shut down almost all chain gangs in the south over the last 5 years or so. There might be a couple prisons that still do it, but they're up against a lot of rights activists that are trying to shut the programs down, and they're probably not going to last very long.

I suppose it is possible that chain gangs in other countries could work, but I imagine that when the media gets a hold on the story it'll be turned into this evil sin.

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Posted: Apr 09, 2007 - 07:11 PM  Post
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well then I have to borrow this argument of yours and use it " It works better when Other countries are responsible for themselves instead of Big Brother [U.S.A] . "

Are we talking economics or military?

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ok, how about that, how free i the free world when it is dominated by the U.S? economically and culturaly?

Completely free. If they didn't want the US products, they wouldn't buy them. Corporations get big because they supply a service that people like. The reason Mcdonald's sells in other countries is because Mcdonald's is awesome. People like it. Nobody is forced to buy a happy meal.

And trade is mutually beneficial. That's something liberals always lie to people about. They confuse trade and exploitation. There are always benefits in trade. It's just that liberals can't understand how a big power like the US benefits from trading with a tiny country, so they assume "funny business" is going on, and they take advantage of people's ignorance to suggest that specialization is a bad thing.
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won't it be better than fucking other up?

Won't what be better? Dumping money on a problem? It never helps. What societal good has welfare ever done?

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I do not know if they have again been abolished, but, in some states, they were brought back,

We got them here in Arizona. Sheriff Joe is the man.

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Simon, I did not see rightwinger bash France, I truly did not

I do bash them a lot. And I will continue to. It's just that I see my country treading the path that they have already walked. The end of that road is a granny state.

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Posted: Apr 09, 2007 - 08:07 PM  Post
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AND, keep in mind that other countries have a more primative and effective, often brutal and mislabled, "barbaric," justice system. I am sure a chain gang in those countries would not be that foreign, or if it is, not that unwelcome.

Please stop treating us like Barbars, we aren't and I am really offended by what you said.
 
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Posted: Apr 09, 2007 - 08:46 PM  Post
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^^ Wait, what? Chic said it was mislabeled as barbaric, so I don't know where you get that from...

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Posted: Apr 10, 2007 - 12:03 AM  Post
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^^ MystikKenji, thank you. That is correct. That is what I was saying.

rightwinger, okay, if you meant to bash France, I apologise for not seeing it. I have seen you do so in other posts, but, I did not think that is what you were doing here as much as using them as an example and you could have picked any other European country to prove your point just the same, it is just that France is so well known. That is how I saw it.

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