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Dr.Clock
Posted: Jun 03, 2008 - 06:49 PM  Post
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ok sure why not

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Posted: Jun 03, 2008 - 06:53 PM  Post
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This is prejudice, but if I compare Deuces to Scars' they say and weenie roast tracks, or etd, I'm not that into it.
Scars is fast, Serj is slow and Achozen still.

But we should really wait...

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Posted: Jul 18, 2008 - 03:13 PM  Post
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guess what ?

we've heard samples of the album , and some people , the whole album !

ANALYZZZZZZZE !

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hmmm i suppose it is was going to happen sooner or later...but we need to compare Scars and Serj's stuff

First of all, i've seen both of them live and personally, i preferred Scars' set alot more...HOWEVER this is abit unfair. Serj was supporting the Foos when i saw him, therefore the intensity of the crowd towards his music was nowhere near as close to the electric atmosphere at the Underworld. However, having said that, I do believe, when watching Serj, all your attention seems to be focussed upon him...you have the feeling that it's "Serj & a back up band" where as with Scars, you really feel the chemistry between them all. Daron doesn't dominate the stage too much. His STARE really is quite striking but i found myself looking at Danny and Franky loads too because of their intensity was really profound. So, to compare the live performances...i really do feel Scars were the better out of the two and i also feel they have a better chance of longevity as a unit.

To compare the two albums themselves, I also prefer Scars. Technically, it is a far superior album to Serj's. I have the overwhelming feeling whilst listening to Elect the Dead that is has a really un-human kind of feel. (This is really hard to explain) but for me there seems to be an over-reliance on technology to produce the music (drum tracks etc). Although Scars' album is actually quite straight forward to replicate, it has a a much more organic feel to it. Additionally, the diversity of Scars' album is wider than Serj's. Not one song sounds the same where as, apart from maybe 2/3 songs on EtD (Elect the Dead and Praise the Lord) all the songs sound abit "samey" for me.

In terms of the two vocal performances - it would be unfair to say Daron is the better singer. However, Serj has one of the best voices in the rock music scene so hardly anyone can compare to his dynamic voice. However, having said that i really believe Daron's vocal ability has vastly improved and the range in which he uses it on the album is on par with Serj - if not better! Moreover, the live vocal performance of Daron, with the REALLY strong back ups from Franky has a better sound to Serj's.

Lyrically, Daron seems to commentate on more social and personal issues. Where as, while Serj also does this to an extent, i believe his lyrics have more of a preaching angle?? Not in a negative way at all...but his lyrics seem to aim at highlighting injustices around the world and in his personal life, where as Daron seems to simplify these subjects into a more straight forward, but equally as powerful (if not more) context.

well done if you have read all the way down here!!! It's really early to be truly objective about the Scars' album but when comparing the two...it has to be Scars for me!!

(and no..i didnt forget Achozen...but in terms of the genre of music, it would be difficult and really unfair to compare them)

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Posted: Jul 20, 2008 - 02:18 PM  Post
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toomerj wrote:
hmmm i suppose it is was going to happen sooner or later...but we need to compare Scars and Serj's stuff

First of all, i've seen both of them live and personally, i preferred Scars' set alot more...HOWEVER this is abit unfair. Serj was supporting the Foos when i saw him, therefore the intensity of the crowd towards his music was nowhere near as close to the electric atmosphere at the Underworld. However, having said that, I do believe, when watching Serj, all your attention seems to be focussed upon him...you have the feeling that it's "Serj & a back up band" where as with Scars, you really feel the chemistry between them all. Daron doesn't dominate the stage too much. His STARE really is quite striking but i found myself looking at Danny and Franky loads too because of their intensity was really profound. So, to compare the live performances...i really do feel Scars were the better out of the two and i also feel they have a better chance of longevity as a unit.

To compare the two albums themselves, I also prefer Scars. Technically, it is a far superior album to Serj's. I have the overwhelming feeling whilst listening to Elect the Dead that is has a really un-human kind of feel. (This is really hard to explain) but for me there seems to be an over-reliance on technology to produce the music (drum tracks etc). Although Scars' album is actually quite straight forward to replicate, it has a a much more organic feel to it. Additionally, the diversity of Scars' album is wider than Serj's. Not one song sounds the same where as, apart from maybe 2/3 songs on EtD (Elect the Dead and Praise the Lord) all the songs sound abit "samey" for me.

In terms of the two vocal performances - it would be unfair to say Daron is the better singer. However, Serj has one of the best voices in the rock music scene so hardly anyone can compare to his dynamic voice. However, having said that i really believe Daron's vocal ability has vastly improved and the range in which he uses it on the album is on par with Serj - if not better! Moreover, the live vocal performance of Daron, with the REALLY strong back ups from Franky has a better sound to Serj's.

Lyrically, Daron seems to commentate on more social and personal issues. Where as, while Serj also does this to an extent, i believe his lyrics have more of a preaching angle?? Not in a negative way at all...but his lyrics seem to aim at highlighting injustices around the world and in his personal life, where as Daron seems to simplify these subjects into a more straight forward, but equally as powerful (if not more) context.

well done if you have read all the way down here!!! It's really early to be truly objective about the Scars' album but when comparing the two...it has to be Scars for me!!

(and no..i didnt forget Achozen...but in terms of the genre of music, it would be difficult and really unfair to compare them)


I agree 100%

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Posted: Jul 20, 2008 - 02:56 PM  Post
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I don't agree. Daron's song sounds quite good live, but all this songs are just weak. I think Franky is better singer than daron. Daron sometimes has a problem with singing, but frandy as a backup is perfect.
Serj has a little worse backup (mario, dan), but he sings much better. His songs are much better too.
In studio daron's songs sounds terrible. Serj made much better work during recording album.

So.. Serj solo is much, MUCH better than Scars. He has great songs, great melodies, great ideas. Daron's melodies are quite irritating. For example Serious.. ugh.. terrible. And serj do experiments like praise the lord, daron solo is just boring.
 
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^ fair enough - just seems so far that the general concensus on here and professional reviews/opinions from magazines is that the Scars album is fantastic...but hey, if you don't like it...you don't like it?! Smile

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Posted: Jul 20, 2008 - 03:32 PM  Post
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I haven't listened to the Scars album yet , just the 30 sec previes , and I remember nothing from them

I'd like to buy it and take my time with it

but till now , it's just me , but I'm not comfortable with Scars , it's just me , I'm just not

it may grow on me after I listen to all the songs , even Hungry Ghost

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I really hope this thread isn't a compare thread, and more of just an analysis..like the title claims.

Elect the Dead:

I thought, for what Serj tried to accomplish, was a pretty good album. The lyrics are really insightful and the songs are geared for you to hear them. Serj's voice sounds better than it did on most of the songs he did on Mez/Hyp, but that's probably because he's trying to sing more than keep up his "System" voice. Musically, it was something to be desired, but that wasn't the main focus of the album.

More personal thought: Personally, I didn't care for the album, but by no means, didn't I think it outright sucked. It had a target audience, and it catered to that group. For the most part, I felt like it was just preaching about a subject I don't quite *agree* with him 100%. Though, I need enjoy some songs. Empty Walls ans Beethoven's Cunt stood out to me.
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Scars on Broadway

Again, for what he tried to accomplish, I think he succeeded. Took a more "rocky" approach to this album with a mix of an old school vibe. Musically, I found it very creative and the instruments were top notch in performance (Universe and Cute Machines REALLY took out in the drum department, John has truly progressed). Lyrically, for the most part, it was kept simple. Some songs tend to have repetitive lyrics, such as Stoner Hate. However, the songs with the repetivie lyrics, tend to go by quickly and not lag out to the point of irritants.

My personal thought. I loved this album. I liked the direction that was taken and I think it was done well. I'm still debating with myself as to whether Daron's voice actually improved or just sound better with the style of music. Either way, I enjoyed it. Didn't hate any song on the album, but some real standouts to me are Babylon, 3005, and Universe.
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Achozen

Can't really make too much comment on it atm, album hasn't come out yet and I can't analyze it based off one song.

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Posted: Jul 23, 2008 - 11:21 PM  Post
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toomerj wrote:
hmmm i suppose it is was going to happen sooner or later...but we need to compare Scars and Serj's stuff


No we don't!

Why is it you guys always gotta turn everything into a pissing contest, and argue over who has the bigger cock?

j/k

Really, it's a lot like comparing apples to oranges. And same with trying to measure either or both against System of a Down.

They're different. Much different. And they both have strengths and weaknesses. To me, Serj's songs are more lyrically diverse, and Scars' more musically diverse. Serj's are intellectually deeper, while Scars' are emotionally so.

I love it. I'm loving all of it. Possibly enough to be glad for the hiatus, on some level. (please don't burn me at the stake, LOL).

Okay, if you nail me to the wall? John only plays drums on like 3 of Serj's songs, and on everything by Scars. So Scars has to be better.

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