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Posted: Jul 18, 2008 - 01:56 PM
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headbanger-joe10 wrote:
i havnt been bothered to comment on here in ages cuz i know like everytime i comment on a relegious descioins something like this happens
God....
OMFG GOD IS NOT REAL NOOB!!
WTF WTF U ON ABOUT U STUPID ATHIEST
lol
anyways... i been folowing this thread and finally someone said something worth commenting on
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we're so unique and specific because we have been evolving for thousands of years. if an omnipotent conciousness created it, who created the omnipotent conciousness?
the creationist theory implies that our complex bodies were created with the single stroke of a divine hand, which is equivalent to, quite literally, building rome in one day. we have our brains and our fingers and lungs because we need them, and they formed as the needs presented themselves over the past thousands of years. life adapts, changes, grows to suit the also constantly changing environment.
if a god created us, why would he have created gorillas and chimpanzees? why could he have created creatures so similar to our own? to confuse us? to let us question his existence?
does this theory sound probable?:
adam miraculously appeared on earth, with the intelligence and physical appearance of a human who has lived for approximately 30 years. subsequently, while he was sleeping, a rib was removed from his body, and was used as the building block for a female mate to adam, named eve. eve was a perfectly healthy human, phsysical appearance of a human also approximately 30 years old, despite the fact that a human rib weighs significantly less than a 30 year old homo sapiens, and lacks the organic matter and genetic programming necessary to grow a brain, sexual organs, arms, fingers, lungs, a heart, and other organs required for human survival.
adam and eve sexually reproduced and had children, raising a problem. adam and eve and their children were the only humans that existed on the entire planet. since incest is a sin, their children could not sexually reproduce with eachother, adam and eve could not sexually reproduce with their children, only with eachother, but no matter how many children they had, none of them could sexually reproduce with eachother, or as a consequence, they would recieve a one way ticket to hell as retribution from this "god" character.
which means, if this theory is true, then every single human on the planet is family, and when they sexually reproduce to further the human race, they are sinning, and this means that every single human on the planet is going to hell for incest, if there is one. this isnt quite the image that jesus had for the world, is it?
there are alot of things which u havnt really given true thought about .. firstly u compared gods creation of us like building rome in one day... 2things that is becuase that is a description of God... maker of the impossilble and seconed no offense but evolution is like saying there was a picece of paper on the floor which somehow formed into a book with a cover and then suddenly ink appeared on it and it formed words and it made a dictionary  the difference is that no christian claims God was something "normal". He is supernatural and thats why his works are so beyond our understanding.
God created animals for us adam to have companions and later for food and clothing.
Like i said God is supernatural thats why he can create adam at a mature age with all the required organs and created eve from adams rib.
adam and eve starting civilization was no problem then becuz the law had not been made then, so incense was not a sin. sin is disobeying God and at that time God never said it was sin
lol and no were does the bible say if ur a insense u recive a one way to ticket to hell infact no were in the bible does God condem anyone for 1 sin, becuz all sins are the same 1 are like 1000. so lol buddy get ur facts straight.
also about how wer are all family.. God only says its wrong if ur immedite family not far.
and finally (lol about time man i got a big mouth) like i said b4 u wont go to hell for one sin u dont have to be perfect to go to heaven only accecpt forgivveness which is freely given or if u ived in the times b4 jesus give a scarfice to God ie a lamb
I think the theory of evolution makes a lot more sense than just saying that magic happened and the only reason we don't understand it is because we can't. |
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God created animals for us adam to have companions and later for food and clothing.
wait... god gave us a food/clothing source that can feel pain?
wow, that seems prettty sadistic...
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I think the theory of evolution makes a lot more sense than just saying that magic happened and the only reason we don't understand it is because we can't.
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Posted: Jul 22, 2008 - 10:05 PM
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i havnt been bothered to comment on here in ages cuz i know like everytime i comment on a relegious descioins something like this happens
God....
OMFG GOD IS NOT REAL NOOB!!
WTF WTF U ON ABOUT U STUPID ATHIEST
lol
anyways... i been folowing this thread and finally someone said something worth commenting on
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we're so unique and specific because we have been evolving for thousands of years. if an omnipotent conciousness created it, who created the omnipotent conciousness?
the creationist theory implies that our complex bodies were created with the single stroke of a divine hand, which is equivalent to, quite literally, building rome in one day. we have our brains and our fingers and lungs because we need them, and they formed as the needs presented themselves over the past thousands of years. life adapts, changes, grows to suit the also constantly changing environment.
if a god created us, why would he have created gorillas and chimpanzees? why could he have created creatures so similar to our own? to confuse us? to let us question his existence?
does this theory sound probable?:
adam miraculously appeared on earth, with the intelligence and physical appearance of a human who has lived for approximately 30 years. subsequently, while he was sleeping, a rib was removed from his body, and was used as the building block for a female mate to adam, named eve. eve was a perfectly healthy human, phsysical appearance of a human also approximately 30 years old, despite the fact that a human rib weighs significantly less than a 30 year old homo sapiens, and lacks the organic matter and genetic programming necessary to grow a brain, sexual organs, arms, fingers, lungs, a heart, and other organs required for human survival.
adam and eve sexually reproduced and had children, raising a problem. adam and eve and their children were the only humans that existed on the entire planet. since incest is a sin, their children could not sexually reproduce with eachother, adam and eve could not sexually reproduce with their children, only with eachother, but no matter how many children they had, none of them could sexually reproduce with eachother, or as a consequence, they would recieve a one way ticket to hell as retribution from this "god" character.
which means, if this theory is true, then every single human on the planet is family, and when they sexually reproduce to further the human race, they are sinning, and this means that every single human on the planet is going to hell for incest, if there is one. this isnt quite the image that jesus had for the world, is it?
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there are alot of things which u havnt really given true thought about .. firstly u compared gods creation of us like building rome in one day... 2things that is becuase that is a description of God... maker of the impossilble and seconed no offense but evolution is like saying there was a picece of paper on the floor which somehow formed into a book with a cover and then suddenly ink appeared on it and it formed words and it made a dictionary  the difference is that no christian claims God was something "normal". He is supernatural and thats why his works are so beyond our understanding.
actually, comparing evolution to a piece of paper forming into a book magically is quite absurd, seeing as that piece of paper would not have to form into a book because it is not necessary to it's survival, nor is that piece of paper an animate object, or has the ability to grow organic matter, or has reproduced generation after generation for thousands of years. it's just a piece of paper.
secondly, before you go telling me that this god of yours has the ability to figuratively build rome in a day, prove to me that he exists instead of just telling me that he exists and created the world and that's just the way it is.
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God created animals for us adam to have companions and later for food and clothing.
so you're implying that all of the other creatures were created just for our clothing and food? that they serve no other purpose in this world whatsoever but to serve humans? despite the fact that they themselves have their own communities and habitats just the way humans do, and their servitude to us is throwing the world's ecosystem out of balance, and that's just fine cause it was supposed to happen?
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Like i said God is supernatural thats why he can create adam at a mature age with all the required organs and created eve from adams rib.
again, show me god. you're stating his existence like a fact, with absolutely no solid proof of his existence. when you show me that, then i'll start taking this god theory seriously.
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adam and eve starting civilization was no problem then becuz the law had not been made then, so incense was not a sin. sin is disobeying God and at that time God never said it was sin
oh, i see, so rules can be amended over time? incest is a sin now, but it wasnt before. maybe in another thousand years or so, murder will no longer be a sin? wouldnt surprise me, any pope can just say god told them to make something a sin or no longer a sin, and all of the brainwashed millions will belive him, and then what? massacre.
also, since adam and eve were comitting incest, wouldnt we all have horrible genetic mutations? it has been scientifically proven (something your god theory lacks) that inbreeding causes mutations and defects that are passed from generation to generation. where have all the mutants gone?
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lol and no were does the bible say if ur a insense u recive a one way to ticket to hell infact no were in the bible does God condem anyone for 1 sin, becuz all sins are the same 1 are like 1000. so lol buddy get ur facts straight.
i dont need to get my bible facts straight, because nobody has given me a good reason to think that the bible is an instruction manual on how to live my life. i dont want to listen to a book that tells me that i should do whatever god, or a voice in my head, tells me to do, even if it means sacrificing my children of my livestock. i prefer NOT to have to kill anybody
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also about how wer are all family.. God only says its wrong if ur immedite family not far.
okay, show me the video or the article of god saying this, and give me proof of it's authenticity
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and finally (lol about time man i got a big mouth) like i said b4 u wont go to hell for one sin u dont have to be perfect to go to heaven only accecpt forgivveness which is freely given or if u ived in the times b4 jesus give a scarfice to God ie a lamb
wow, god sure had a change of heart when jesus was crucified, didnt he? he doesnt want us to sacrifice lives anymore? wow. it's sure funny how he changes his mind a lot. this god of yours doesnt sound very consitent to his beliefs |
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Posted: Jul 23, 2008 - 01:43 AM
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i havnt been bothered to comment on here in ages cuz i know like everytime i comment on a relegious descioins something like this happens
God....
OMFG GOD IS NOT REAL NOOB!!
WTF WTF U ON ABOUT U STUPID ATHIEST
lol
anyways... i been folowing this thread and finally someone said something worth commenting on
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we're so unique and specific because we have been evolving for thousands of years. if an omnipotent conciousness created it, who created the omnipotent conciousness?
the creationist theory implies that our complex bodies were created with the single stroke of a divine hand, which is equivalent to, quite literally, building rome in one day. we have our brains and our fingers and lungs because we need them, and they formed as the needs presented themselves over the past thousands of years. life adapts, changes, grows to suit the also constantly changing environment.
if a god created us, why would he have created gorillas and chimpanzees? why could he have created creatures so similar to our own? to confuse us? to let us question his existence?
does this theory sound probable?:
adam miraculously appeared on earth, with the intelligence and physical appearance of a human who has lived for approximately 30 years. subsequently, while he was sleeping, a rib was removed from his body, and was used as the building block for a female mate to adam, named eve. eve was a perfectly healthy human, phsysical appearance of a human also approximately 30 years old, despite the fact that a human rib weighs significantly less than a 30 year old homo sapiens, and lacks the organic matter and genetic programming necessary to grow a brain, sexual organs, arms, fingers, lungs, a heart, and other organs required for human survival.
adam and eve sexually reproduced and had children, raising a problem. adam and eve and their children were the only humans that existed on the entire planet. since incest is a sin, their children could not sexually reproduce with eachother, adam and eve could not sexually reproduce with their children, only with eachother, but no matter how many children they had, none of them could sexually reproduce with eachother, or as a consequence, they would recieve a one way ticket to hell as retribution from this "god" character.
which means, if this theory is true, then every single human on the planet is family, and when they sexually reproduce to further the human race, they are sinning, and this means that every single human on the planet is going to hell for incest, if there is one. this isnt quite the image that jesus had for the world, is it?
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there are alot of things which u havnt really given true thought about .. firstly u compared gods creation of us like building rome in one day... 2things that is becuase that is a description of God... maker of the impossilble and seconed no offense but evolution is like saying there was a picece of paper on the floor which somehow formed into a book with a cover and then suddenly ink appeared on it and it formed words and it made a dictionary  the difference is that no christian claims God was something "normal". He is supernatural and thats why his works are so beyond our understanding.
actually, comparing evolution to a piece of paper forming into a book magically is quite absurd, seeing as that piece of paper would not have to form into a book because it is not necessary to it's survival, nor is that piece of paper an animate object, or has the ability to grow organic matter, or has reproduced generation after generation for thousands of years. it's just a piece of paper.
secondly, before you go telling me that this god of yours has the ability to figuratively build rome in a day, prove to me that he exists instead of just telling me that he exists and created the world and that's just the way it is.
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God created animals for us adam to have companions and later for food and clothing.
so you're implying that all of the other creatures were created just for our clothing and food? that they serve no other purpose in this world whatsoever but to serve humans? despite the fact that they themselves have their own communities and habitats just the way humans do, and their servitude to us is throwing the world's ecosystem out of balance, and that's just fine cause it was supposed to happen?
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Like i said God is supernatural thats why he can create adam at a mature age with all the required organs and created eve from adams rib.
again, show me god. you're stating his existence like a fact, with absolutely no solid proof of his existence. when you show me that, then i'll start taking this god theory seriously.
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adam and eve starting civilization was no problem then becuz the law had not been made then, so incense was not a sin. sin is disobeying God and at that time God never said it was sin
oh, i see, so rules can be amended over time? incest is a sin now, but it wasnt before. maybe in another thousand years or so, murder will no longer be a sin? wouldnt surprise me, any pope can just say god told them to make something a sin or no longer a sin, and all of the brainwashed millions will belive him, and then what? massacre.
also, since adam and eve were comitting incest, wouldnt we all have horrible genetic mutations? it has been scientifically proven (something your god theory lacks) that inbreeding causes mutations and defects that are passed from generation to generation. where have all the mutants gone?
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lol and no were does the bible say if ur a insense u recive a one way to ticket to hell infact no were in the bible does God condem anyone for 1 sin, becuz all sins are the same 1 are like 1000. so lol buddy get ur facts straight.
i dont need to get my bible facts straight, because nobody has given me a good reason to think that the bible is an instruction manual on how to live my life. i dont want to listen to a book that tells me that i should do whatever god, or a voice in my head, tells me to do, even if it means sacrificing my children of my livestock. i prefer NOT to have to kill anybody
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also about how wer are all family.. God only says its wrong if ur immedite family not far.
okay, show me the video or the article of god saying this, and give me proof of it's authenticity
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and finally (lol about time man i got a big mouth) like i said b4 u wont go to hell for one sin u dont have to be perfect to go to heaven only accecpt forgivveness which is freely given or if u ived in the times b4 jesus give a scarfice to God ie a lamb
wow, god sure had a change of heart when jesus was crucified, didnt he? he doesnt want us to sacrifice lives anymore? wow. it's sure funny how he changes his mind a lot. this god of yours doesnt sound very consitent to his beliefs
*good speech orgasm*
...so you wanna go get breakfast now? LMFAO.
No, seriously, that speech right there was like friggin' sex. Am I the ONLY one who got multiple orgasms reading that?
Okay, no, actually this is serious now:
Once you think about it, the whole layout for Catholicism and Christianity is just warped. Proof that we are ALL beyond stupid. How anyone can believe this, and even kill to prove this is real, is beyond me.
Ohh, and headbangerjoe-10:
No offence, but, you really really need to work on your grammar...I'm sorry, I could barely understand a single thing you said up there. It was just, in all honesty, complete madness. |
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Posted: Jul 23, 2008 - 01:56 AM
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^i agree with the two people above me.
yeah, good speech sex. *lights cigarette*
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Posted: Jul 23, 2008 - 01:58 AM
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^^It's official.
Onlysolution is the forum's new Spiderman.
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Posted: Jul 23, 2008 - 02:46 AM
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| *sigh* well me being christian, i guess im just a 'brainwashed' person that does believe the 'beyond stupid' beliefs of Christ. If u ask me headbangerjoe-10, it really just all comes down to faith, but i commend you for trying to prove god's existance. As for the whole story of Adam and Eve however, i was never quite sure whether to believe that or not, i used to always think that particular story was just a metaphor, even my christian religion teacher told me she thought of it as a metaphor. Im not saying this to attempt to affect your beliefs headbangerjoe-10, im just stating mine. |
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Posted: Jul 23, 2008 - 05:44 AM
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onlysolution89 wrote:
we're so unique and specific because we have been evolving for thousands of years. if an omnipotent conciousness created it, who created the omnipotent conciousness?
Either you didn't read my post to you some time ago, or you have difficulty grasping the concepts of eternity and infinity. God is not limited by time as He is eternal. Therefore, He requires no beginning, no end and no creator. He is eternal and infinite.
onlysolution89 wrote:
the creationist theory implies that our complex bodies were created with the single stroke of a divine hand, which is equivalent to, quite literally, building rome in one day. we have our brains and our fingers and lungs because we need them, and they formed as the needs presented themselves over the past thousands of years. life adapts, changes, grows to suit the also constantly changing environment.
if a god created us, why would he have created gorillas and chimpanzees? why could he have created creatures so similar to our own? to confuse us? to let us question his existence?
According to Genesis, God created the animals of the garden before he created Adam. He then created Adam. Why do you ask? For companionship, the joy of creation, ... many reasons, I'm sure.
onlysolution89 wrote:
does this theory sound probable?:
adam miraculously appeared on earth, with the intelligence and physical appearance of a human who has lived for approximately 30 years. subsequently, while he was sleeping, a rib was removed from his body, and was used as the building block for a female mate to adam, named eve. eve was a perfectly healthy human, phsysical appearance of a human also approximately 30 years old, despite the fact that a human rib weighs significantly less than a 30 year old homo sapiens, and lacks the organic matter and genetic programming necessary to grow a brain, sexual organs, arms, fingers, lungs, a heart, and other organs required for human survival.
There's nothing in the creation story about Adam or Eve's age in their time of creation. You might want to try cracking open the Bible if you plan on making an educated comment on the book.
onlysolution89 wrote:
adam and eve sexually reproduced and had children, raising a problem. adam and eve and their children were the only humans that existed on the entire planet. since incest is a sin, their children could not sexually reproduce with eachother, adam and eve could not sexually reproduce with their children, only with eachother, but no matter how many children they had, none of them could sexually reproduce with eachother, or as a consequence, they would recieve a one way ticket to hell as retribution from this "god" character.
Adam and Eve reproduced after their fall from grace, when they were cast out of the garden. They were not brother and sister, so incest is not an issue. And, according to the books of Genesis, Japher and Enoch, they were not the only people or other types of beings on the planet at all. Angels, fallen and otherwise, who had taken part in the Creation under God's command, their creations (some of them Giants), and other people were also present on the planet. The Garden was just one place on Earth.
onlysolution89 wrote:
which means, if this theory is true, then every single human on the planet is family, and when they sexually reproduce to further the human race, they are sinning, and this means that every single human on the planet is going to hell for incest, if there is one. this isnt quite the image that jesus had for the world, is it?
Not at all. You're really making things up here.
onlysolution89 wrote:
secondly, before you go telling me that this god of yours has the ability to figuratively build rome in a day, prove to me that he exists instead of just telling me that he exists and created the world and that's just the way it is.
You keep asking people to prove things to you--or to prove God's existence to you. You are always looking for the easy way out, aren't you? No one else can define your relationship with God except you and your maker. You are still young. Your relationship with God will develop over time.
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i dont need to get my bible facts straight, because nobody has given me a good reason to think that the bible is an instruction manual on how to live my life. i dont want to listen to a book that tells me that i should do whatever god, or a voice in my head, tells me to do, even if it means sacrificing my children of my livestock. i prefer NOT to have to kill anybody
One reason that you might want to get your Bible facts straight is so that you can actually make educated comments on the subject. |
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Posted: Jul 23, 2008 - 06:00 AM
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*Lights joint and cigarette*
If time is infinite that means there is infinity before, and after us.... Which means there was no beginning of time...
I have no idea what that had to do with this conversation, just idea, but you really need to know there is no god. When people don't understand things they make things up to make sense of them. God was made up because people didn't understand how the universe came to be, and how people exist... Religion is now used by the smart (and wicked) to control people like CaylinSoo... They put beliefs in children's heads so they grow up thinking that god is a fact, and not something they should figure out for themself.... They put their beliefs in the people scared of where their loved ones go when they die.... And where they go when they die, then they believe every word in the fucking bible.....
I can't even express how much I hate religion, and the sick fucks who use it as a tool of fear...
Anyways if anyone can convince me that god is real, and not just a tool to manipulate the young, and weak minded you will be my fucking prophet... |
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CaylinSoo wrote:
onlysolution89 wrote:
we're so unique and specific because we have been evolving for thousands of years. if an omnipotent conciousness created it, who created the omnipotent conciousness?
Either you didn't read my post to you some time ago, or you have difficulty grasping the concepts of eternity and infinity. God is not limited by time as He is eternal. Therefore, He requires no beginning, no end and no creator. He is eternal and infinite.
onlysolution89 wrote:
the creationist theory implies that our complex bodies were created with the single stroke of a divine hand, which is equivalent to, quite literally, building rome in one day. we have our brains and our fingers and lungs because we need them, and they formed as the needs presented themselves over the past thousands of years. life adapts, changes, grows to suit the also constantly changing environment.
if a god created us, why would he have created gorillas and chimpanzees? why could he have created creatures so similar to our own? to confuse us? to let us question his existence?
According to Genesis, God created the animals of the garden before he created Adam. He then created Adam. Why do you ask? For companionship, the joy of creation, ... many reasons, I'm sure.
onlysolution89 wrote:
does this theory sound probable?:
adam miraculously appeared on earth, with the intelligence and physical appearance of a human who has lived for approximately 30 years. subsequently, while he was sleeping, a rib was removed from his body, and was used as the building block for a female mate to adam, named eve. eve was a perfectly healthy human, phsysical appearance of a human also approximately 30 years old, despite the fact that a human rib weighs significantly less than a 30 year old homo sapiens, and lacks the organic matter and genetic programming necessary to grow a brain, sexual organs, arms, fingers, lungs, a heart, and other organs required for human survival.
There's nothing in the creation story about Adam or Eve's age in their time of creation. You might want to try cracking open the Bible if you plan on making an educated comment on the book.
onlysolution89 wrote:
adam and eve sexually reproduced and had children, raising a problem. adam and eve and their children were the only humans that existed on the entire planet. since incest is a sin, their children could not sexually reproduce with eachother, adam and eve could not sexually reproduce with their children, only with eachother, but no matter how many children they had, none of them could sexually reproduce with eachother, or as a consequence, they would recieve a one way ticket to hell as retribution from this "god" character.
Adam and Eve reproduced after their fall from grace, when they were cast out of the garden. They were not brother and sister, so incest is not an issue. And, according to the books of Genesis, Japher and Enoch, they were not the only people or other types of beings on the planet at all. Angels, fallen and otherwise, who had taken part in the Creation under God's command, their creations (some of them Giants), and other people were also present on the planet. The Garden was just one place on Earth.
onlysolution89 wrote:
which means, if this theory is true, then every single human on the planet is family, and when they sexually reproduce to further the human race, they are sinning, and this means that every single human on the planet is going to hell for incest, if there is one. this isnt quite the image that jesus had for the world, is it?
Not at all. You're really making things up here.
onlysolution89 wrote:
secondly, before you go telling me that this god of yours has the ability to figuratively build rome in a day, prove to me that he exists instead of just telling me that he exists and created the world and that's just the way it is.
You keep asking people to prove things to you--or to prove God's existence to you. You are always looking for the easy way out, aren't you? No one else can define your relationship with God except you and your maker. You are still young. Your relationship with God will develop over time.
onlysolution89 wrote:
i dont need to get my bible facts straight, because nobody has given me a good reason to think that the bible is an instruction manual on how to live my life. i dont want to listen to a book that tells me that i should do whatever god, or a voice in my head, tells me to do, even if it means sacrificing my children of my livestock. i prefer NOT to have to kill anybody
One reason that you might want to get your Bible facts straight is so that you can actually make educated comments on the subject.
I really, really, REALLY cannot believe I am getting into this...but, alas, I am. I'm just not sitting here and not voicing my opinion.
1: Wow. Nothing is able to be eternal. Not even Earth, not even the universe. Everything was created somehow. Which is how "God" (don't know if there is one, well, I do not believe in the traditional god of religions) was created. Somehow. Nobody's proved it yet. If he's real, he should prove it himself by coming down here and telling us so that we have the story straight. He can do that, I know. He has powers according to religion.
2: Nothing to say to your second point.
3: I know a lot more about this guy than you do, having been very close to him for a number of years, and do know of his religious background. He has cracked open a bible. Trust me. Don't assume he hasn't. That's probably why I'm in this, too. Standing up for a friend. Even though he's got the situation handled...well...I just enjoy helping.
4: Incest IS an issue, in fact. Adam and Eve could reproduce fine because they weren't related, but what you failed to comment on is what about the CHILDREN of Adam and Eve, seeing as they were the only humans on the planet at said time, according to the bible. They couldn't reproduce amongst themselves, which would be as Zane mentioned incest, they couldn't reproduce with their parents because that would be incestual pedophilia, which would be a "double fault", and not be the good kind. So, why hasn't the human race died off then if incest is a sin?
5: Actually, I've wondered the same thing for years after my religious friends would come home from their religion classes and share with me what they learned, for since I was young I had an intrigue toward the way the world worked, persay. I didn't understand that, either, and I have been asking that question for years to myself, and have not come up with an answer that conduces both the bible's depiction of early life and incest being a sin. Either incest is all of a sudden okay, or the theory of evolution prevails. Since I know the first is never going to be okay in any way, shape, or form, the theory of evolution is what I believe in.
6: Now you're getting personal with my dear friend here, and THIS is where I interject back at you directly. THIS, right here, is the flaw in religion. It turns into a big fight, and then we attack EACHOTHER, PERSONALLY. This is where murder happens (not saying you're going to kill Zane, of course, but I am bringing up a different point), where people begin KILLING in a probable false god's name, and where the REAL history is kept secret. SMALL arguments such as this are an exact "small scale" of much bigger problems in the world.
I've known Zane for a very long time. He never takes the easy way out. So, I will answer that question for you, No.
If we all "find our relationship with 'God'", then, why isn't everyone a Christian or a Catholic? Why are there Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Satanists, or any other religion, for that matter? Is everyone "wrong" because they do not believe in one holy being or his son? Some people never find a relationship with this "God", because they look at things differently than you do. Whether that is right or wrong is a mystery still.
7: Everything he said was educated, in fact, the evolution theory is what I believe is taught in our modern school systems? Oh, yes, that was a very educated post. I think all of us have heard the theory because of the many religious beings who are "bible bashers", who shove their beliefs down your throat. That may be a big part of why I hate religion. If you do not believe what someone else believes, you are a liar, a sinner, and you deserve to be burned in hell! What kind of bullshit is that?! I don't take that shit at all, I love everybody unless I have personal experience with the person to tell me to do otherwise. I would never condemn someone to "hell", whatever that may be. Does that make me a more loving being than "the most loving being of them all"? Do I deserve a religion now?
That post that he made was the single smartest thing I have heard on this thread. Educated, you could say. That is a guy who's got his facts straight, and his shit in line. And that's why so many people agree with him.
I mean...look at all these after-sex cigarettes? Fuck, we just had an orgy in here with the SOADfans Spiderman.  |
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