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Aciid_drop
Posted: Jul 24, 2008 - 01:51 AM  Post
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Well thats what Islam says,n to try to make u understand ive got to do alot of explanation and i never really wanted to be involved in any religious discussions in here,and i doubt u wud understand or agree with me, so il just leave it this way i guess.

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Posted: Jul 24, 2008 - 02:32 AM  Post
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I find that if there is a god, for all that is going on in the world, and all this corruption he has let happen in his name all around the world, he's a sadist.

Agreed.

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wouldn't u follow god if god came on earth and said im god and if who doesn't follow me would go to hell?

no. Shocked
thats stupid, "do as i say or you go to hell."
that makes god seem like a straight-up asshole.

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well yes, the main factor of believing in God is in faith, I mean you can try to prove God's existiance and wut not, but all evidence seems to lead to one common thing, and that is faith.

See, i find it hard to believe or have faith in something that i can't see or prove to exist.
Not trying to diss your beliefs or anything, but it just doesn't make sense to me. Confused

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Posted: Jul 24, 2008 - 11:31 AM  Post
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I find that if there is a god, for all that is going on in the world, and all this corruption he has let happen in his name all around the world, he's a sadist.

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wouldn't u follow god if god came on earth and said im god and if who doesn't follow me would go to hell?

no. Shocked
thats stupid, "do as i say or you go to hell."
that makes god seem like a straight-up asshole.

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well yes, the main factor of believing in God is in faith, I mean you can try to prove God's existiance and wut not, but all evidence seems to lead to one common thing, and that is faith.

See, i find it hard to believe or have faith in something that i can't see or prove to exist.
Not trying to diss your beliefs or anything, but it just doesn't make sense to me. Confused


I guess thats why its called 'faith' Wink

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Posted: Jul 25, 2008 - 04:18 AM  Post
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Vicinity.of.Obscurity wrote:

My personal relationship with God was believing in him even when I had doubts. Now? I don't. I've been known since I was a child to question everything infront of me, and now, am more notorious than ever for this. I do question the entire fabric of society, and think it would be MUCH better without religion.


It's wise to question things. That's how we come to know them better. Religion can be a good and a bad thing. When they teach the Word of God and preserve the faith, they're great. But they can "go bad" when the devil and/or ill intentioned people corrupt it, religions can turn evil and dangerous.

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Are you telling me that our sins have something to do with the time we die? I can call this false right here. I know of some of the BEST people who have died too early for their own good. And some assholes who deserve to die for all they have done are still breathing. Death isn't fair, and anyone who tries to justify that by saying that they sinned so their time is up is wrong with the way I've seen life and death.


I'll refer you to Romans 6:23. (You did say that you are very familiar with the Bible right?) "The wages of sin are death, but the Gift of God is eternal life in Christ our Lord."


Vicinity.of.Obscurity wrote:
The church was demonically influenced? But, oh, wait, weren't they supposed to PROTECT Christians and Catholics from all demonic harm? I wouldn't feel too safe if I believed in this.


Yes, I firmly believe that Satanic forces are active in all churches, attempting to subvert any goal that they might have of bringing people closer to God. And yes, I can believe that and feel perfectly safe.

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No, Creation and Evolution actually are opposing. Creation believes that humanity evolved from God's devine whim, while Evolutionism is based on the fact that humans evolved from different organisms. Two very contradicting beliefs.


I'll refer you to the dictionary definition of Evolution which I already posted on this thread back on June 30. But I guess you weren't paying attention. As you can see here, nothing in the definition of evolution requires or implies an absence of our Creator:

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ev·o·lu·tion Audio Help [ev-uh-loo-shuhn or, especially Brit., ee-vuh-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. any process of formation or growth; development: the evolution of a language; the evolution of the airplane.
2. a product of such development; something evolved: The exploration of space is the evolution of decades of research.
3. Biology. change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift.
4. a process of gradual, peaceful, progressive change or development, as in social or economic structure or institutions.
5. a motion incomplete in itself, but combining with coordinated motions to produce a single action, as in a machine.
6. a pattern formed by or as if by a series of movements: the evolutions of a figure skater.
7. an evolving or giving off of gas, heat, etc.
8. Mathematics. the extraction of a root from a quantity. Compare involution (def. .
9. a movement or one of a series of movements of troops, ships, etc., as for disposition in order of battle or in line on parade.
10. any similar movement, esp. in close order drill.
[Origin: 1615–25; < L évolūtiōn- (s. of évolūtiō) an unrolling, opening, equiv. to évolūt(us) (see evolute) + -iōn- -ion]

Vicinity.of.Obscurity wrote:
Bringing up what Zane had said prior to this, there are actually proven statements that say that incest causes mutations. Why wasn't Jesus mutated? Oh! Maybe that explains his divinity, sorry to sound offensive. I'm serious. That could explain how he could do these "abnormal" things. Huh. You know, I am a genious. Laughing


Lot's "relations" with his daughters occurred many, many generations back in Jesus' lineage.


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Then how come a lot of Christians and Catholics choose to "Convert" to their way of seeing God? If, in fact, it is still "God" in the other religions? Tsk tsk. Contradictions, contradictions, contradictions.


Because it's not a matter of contradiction, it's a matter of interpretation. For example, in John 14:6, Jesus says, "I am the way, the truth, the life. No one approaches the Father except through me." Does that mean that everyone must become a Christian to approach God? Or does that mean that Jesus exists beyond that identity and is always working to create a path for us to reach God? This passage can be interpreted in different ways.


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Oh, believe me, dear, I've had sex before and I've been called quite gifted. But that's a new story for Chop Suey. Wink My suggestion is after this, go there, and read my recent posts. But, this post was pretty orgasmic. Look at all the raped and satisfied on here. Wink


You're still in high school, right? Do your parents know that you're sexually active? Shocked

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Posted: Jul 25, 2008 - 05:13 AM  Post
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You're still in high school, right? Do your parents know that you're sexually active? Shocked

Rolling Eyes surprise, surprise. ive known people who were sexually active at age 14, her waiting till she was in high school is alot better than most people.

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Im not a bible know-it-all, but wasn't the bible translated by someone into all of the different languages? how do we know they didnt change some of the text, thus corrupting 'gods word'.

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Posted: Jul 25, 2008 - 05:38 AM  Post
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I was a freshman when I was 13...

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Posted: Jul 25, 2008 - 01:33 PM  Post
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You're still in high school, right? Do your parents know that you're sexually active? Shocked.
Rolling Eyes surprise, surprise. ive known people who were sexually active at age 14, her waiting till she was in high school is alot better than most people.


Oh, heavens. I graduated from high school with girls who had given birth to as many as five children by they time they reached 18. I don't know why I expected more of a sense of responsibility from Vicinity. Maybe because she has so much potential with that quick mind of hers.

When the teens and pre-teens get pregnant or VD or emotionally racked from becoming sexually active so young, it's the parents that have to pick up the pieces. Of course not all parents are so graceful about it. I knew one girl who got pregnant when she was thirteen. Her Dad beat her with a stiff rubber tube until she aborted. She missed almost a month of school with her injuries.

rainbows_are_gay wrote:
Im not a bible know-it-all, but wasn't the bible translated by someone into all of the different languages? how do we know they didnt change some of the text, thus corrupting 'gods word'.


There are many translations of the Bible. Among them are translations with the original Greek, Hebrew and/or Aramaic. There are also translations that come with studies of the actual translations. Many people have serious issues with the accuracy of some translations. I take issue with the omission of certain books from the standard accepted version of the Bible. For example, I feel that the books of Japher and Enoch should be published with the Bible.

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Posted: Jul 25, 2008 - 05:25 PM  Post
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I don't know why I expected more of a sense of responsibility from Vicinity. Maybe because she has so much potential with that quick mind of hers.

i don't think you can judge a persons responsibility without actually knowing the person.
and are you saying rae isn't responsible because she decided to have sex?

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I knew one girl who got pregnant when she was thirteen. Her Dad beat her with a stiff rubber tube until she aborted. She missed almost a month of school with her injuries.

Thats called child abuse, and i can only hope she wasnt left in her fathers custody.


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There are many translations of the Bible. Among them are translations with the original Greek, Hebrew and/or Aramaic. There are also translations that come with studies of the actual translations. Many people have serious issues with the accuracy of some translations. I take issue with the omission of certain books from the standard accepted version of the Bible. For example, I feel that the books of Japher and Enoch should be published with the Bible.


ok then... how do we know the original language well enough that we could get a accurate translation out of it.

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Posted: Jul 26, 2008 - 01:09 AM  Post
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rainbows_are_gay wrote:
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I don't know why I expected more of a sense of responsibility from Vicinity. Maybe because she has so much potential with that quick mind of hers.

i don't think you can judge a persons responsibility without actually knowing the person.
and are you saying rae isn't responsible because she decided to have sex?


I'm saying that it's irresponsible for anyone to become sexually active until they are old enough to leave their parents' house and live independently.

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I knew one girl who got pregnant when she was thirteen. Her Dad beat her with a stiff rubber tube until she aborted. She missed almost a month of school with her injuries.

Thats called child abuse, and i can only hope she wasnt left in her fathers custody.


Of course it's child abuse. I don't remember what happened to her Dad, but as this was a small, rural midwestern community in the mid-1970s, I doubt if he was prosecuted.


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ok then... how do we know the original language well enough that we could get a accurate translation out of it.


Study, study, study! Smile

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Posted: Jul 26, 2008 - 01:11 AM  Post
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Of course it's child abuse. I don't remember what happened to her Dad, but as this was a small, rural midwestern community in the mid-1970s, I doubt if he was prosecuted.

wow. Rolling Eyes bastards.

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ok then... how do we know the original language well enough that we could get a accurate translation out of it.



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Posted: Sep 15, 2008 - 07:03 PM  Post
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Why cant both theory's exist together. I believe that both theory's are true. When it comes to quantum physics, theory's are saying that life cannot exist without thought. Life could not begin until god ( if you call him that way) thought about it. It's just not possible to have life without the initial thought. God created life and evolution did it's work.
 
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