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Posted: Sep 02, 2005 - 09:07 PM
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Almost Member
Joined: Sep 02, 2005
Posts: 60
Location: An outpost of HELL--er, Alaska. A very cold outpost of Hell.
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| Honestly, I think they sound better on the CD. Sure the actual experience of seing them live is better, but in terms of listening to the actual music, the album versions are better. You can't really hear the cymbals or the bass most of the time, John seems to be... slacking a little bit on the *insane* hihat work you'll hear on the album on a few of the songs (the chorus of Violent Pornography, verses of Prison Song and Deer Dance, Needles--he uses one crash instead of three), Darren sometimes plays easier versions of the riffs you'll hear on the album (Deer Dance; he doesn't go up to the high C, opting instead to stay on the same string) and his solos can sometimes get... muddled (the end of Psycho, for instance) and Serj... well, he just doesn't, to me, seem to be having any fun up there. He's not putting as much heart into his performance as he could; he's a quarter of a step flat pretty much always (this is true of songs like Kill Rock N Roll where he goes ridiculously high, but it's also true of, say, Lost in Hollywood), he very rarely sustains any notes (AERIALS, Toxicity), and often times he'll choose to falseto rather than scream (Cocaine, Siggero, also Deer Dance and Prison Song although to a much more acceptable extent). I know Serj is a great vocalist, I know that he *could* do all of these things. He just doesn't seem to be putting much effort into it; at times, it's almost as if he's choosing to sound bored, like when he says "Psycho Groupie Cocaine Crazy" in the middle of the first verse. Not to mention, sometimes the song will call for a harmony, and there will be only one voice (Deer Dance again, but most notably in Question! since that's half of what makes the song good in the first place); and when there is harmony, often times it's really uncoordinated. (Revenga, Kill Rock 'N Roll) They can get away with this because people will sell out concerts regardless because "ITS FUCKING SYSTEM!" But even so, that irritates me. Is he tired? I mean, that's understandable, they've been playing shows for months on end now and SOAD material is really difficult to play... at all, let alone every day for a month plus all the earlier concert tours this year. Even so, if you're not having fun, what the hell are you doing on stage? |
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Posted: Sep 02, 2005 - 09:10 PM
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Needle
Joined: Jul 18, 2005
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Location: Melting in the sun
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| well, it sounded fine when i went to my concert. But i was also far away and i think the closer u are ( if u were on the floor ) the worse its going to sound cuz u are closer to the speakers and just everything. But of course its gonna sound better and cleaner in the studio than it is in the concerts. Ive never once saw a band that i thought sounded better live than on a cd cuz with the studio u can mix certain things and do lots of things u cant do live, plus like i said u get a cleaner sound. |
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Serj can I play with your pogo stick too?  
"I used to beat fools down..for no reason!" - Daron Malakian
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Posted: Sep 02, 2005 - 09:48 PM
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Understand, I'm not griping about the quality of the sound... okay, I was, once. The vast majority of the things I don't like have to do specifically with how the band plays the song. That's not really a mix issue, that's more of a "I'm not playing this right" issue.  Oh, and regarding "I've never heard a band live that sounds as good on the CD"... Metallica. Also, lincoln Park has this annoying tendency to sound *exactly* like the CD. |
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Posted: Sep 02, 2005 - 09:59 PM
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Spider
Joined: Apr 01, 2005
Posts: 394
Location: Canada
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| From listening to some of their live recordings, I know where you're coming from, but last night at the Toronto show, they were pretty much flawless. Even Daron, who has a tendency to fuck up the singing sometimes was dead-on for almost the entire night. |
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Posted: Sep 02, 2005 - 10:03 PM
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Joined: Dec 30, 2004
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Yeah Daron was also flawless at the Montreal show.
I'm not one to care if SOAD sounds better on CD than on stage, it's not like they sound as awful as your average lousy local band. |
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Posted: Sep 02, 2005 - 10:22 PM
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Needle
Joined: Jul 18, 2005
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Location: Melting in the sun
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Lysander049 wrote:
Understand, I'm not griping about the quality of the sound... okay, I was, once. The vast majority of the things I don't like have to do specifically with how the band plays the song. That's not really a mix issue, that's more of a "I'm not playing this right" issue. Oh, and regarding "I've never heard a band live that sounds as good on the CD"... Metallica. Also, lincoln Park has this annoying tendency to sound *exactly* like the CD.
I cant speak on behalf of metallica cuz ive never seen them in concert but with LP ive seen them on tv in concert and they arent too good, and are better on cd, but maybe thats cuz its tv i dunno. And my best friend saw linkin park a couple yrs ago and I thoguht she said she didnt think they were that good, but i could be wrong. |
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Oh baby come close to me..let me love you
Serj can I play with your pogo stick too?
"I used to beat fools down..for no reason!" - Daron Malakian
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Posted: Sep 02, 2005 - 10:55 PM
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Needle
Joined: Mar 16, 2005
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Location: maryland
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| fuck you, their the best live. |
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Posted: Sep 02, 2005 - 11:37 PM
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Joined: Sep 02, 2005
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Location: An outpost of HELL--er, Alaska. A very cold outpost of Hell.
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I'm not one to care if SOAD sounds better on CD than on stage, it's not like they sound as awful as your average lousy local band.
They were at the Trabento show in Paris. Hell, they even admit it. I heard an interview with John saying that even to their own ears they sounded horrible when they were first starting out. I mean, they hadn't played live for two years, so that's expected. But still.
RE: Lincoln Park--well, what I meant by that was I heard a live album of theirs from Dallass, and it sounded exactly like the CD with a slightly different sound envelope and cheering in some places. I didn't like it because it sounded so much like the CD that it was boring.
fuck you, their the best live.
Er, okay. See, this is why people like me are forced to point these things out; if everyone did, SOAD wouldn't be able to get away with being slopy live, because tehy wouldn't have idiot fanboys and girls popping up to defend them with absolutely no reason behind their statements. If your only response to me well-thought-out critique of their sound is "fuck you, they're the best" than my only response back to you must be "fuck you, they suck." Chin chin. |
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OH YEAH? Well y'know what I'M gonna do! I'm gonna wave at ya ineffectually with my nightstick!
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Posted: Sep 02, 2005 - 11:38 PM
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Location: An outpost of HELL--er, Alaska. A very cold outpost of Hell.
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| Gah, dammit. It's official--I hate this computer. |
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OH YEAH? Well y'know what I'M gonna do! I'm gonna wave at ya ineffectually with my nightstick!
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Posted: Sep 02, 2005 - 11:39 PM
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Location: An outpost of HELL--er, Alaska. A very cold outpost of Hell.
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| X. |
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OH YEAH? Well y'know what I'M gonna do! I'm gonna wave at ya ineffectually with my nightstick!
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Posted: Sep 02, 2005 - 11:40 PM
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Location: An outpost of HELL--er, Alaska. A very cold outpost of Hell.
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| Oh--if the Teronto concert was that great, was there anyone who went there who could bootleg it for me? Perfect SOAD playing is soomethign I positively must here. That should probably go in the downloads forum, but whatever. |
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OH YEAH? Well y'know what I'M gonna do! I'm gonna wave at ya ineffectually with my nightstick!
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We first fought the heathens in the name of religion, then Communism, and now in the name of drugs and terrorism. Our excuses for global domination always change
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