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A Talk With Serj Tankian: 'Screamers,' Activism, and Heart |
Posted by ZAk on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 08:12 PM
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'Screamers,'
a documentary by Carla Garapedian, just won the Audience Award at the AFI Film
Festival. It uses archival footage, interviews, and live music to reflect on the
Armenian genocide, its aftermath, and the effect that later denials of the
atrocity had on history.
It's a powerful document, both politically and artistically.The film centers around the highly popular Armenian-American rock band System of
a Down and its lead singer, Serj Tankian, as they tour Europe and discuss the
issues of Armenia, genocide, and human rights.
Last week RJ Eskow from The Huffington Post spoke with Serj about
the film and his own political work. Serj co-founded Axis of Justice with Rage
Against the Machine/Audioslave guitarist Tom Morello, to mobilize musicians and
music fans around progressive issues.
Here are some excerpts from the conversation:
What politicized you? As an Armenian-American, was it your family's memories
of the Armenian genocide?
It was the denial of genocide, more than the genocide itself, that politicized
me. I was troubled by the idea that this kind of violence could occur, only to
be ignored or covered up. It made me feel I had to act and react. There are so
many things going on in the world today that are receiving the same treatment -
including, but not limited to Darfur and Rwanda.
In a way, the hypocrisy of the denial is more politicizing than the act itself.
I think that the memory of Armenia's genocide opened my eyes at an early age to
the existence of political cynicism.
What's your definition of "genocide"? The diplomatic community has one,
but does the word have a more personal meaning for you?
My thing is figuring out how to put things in a simple way, so here's my
definition: If someone gets attacked because they look different, act different,
or pray differently, that's genocide. And if the mass execution of a people is
organized and perpetrated by a government, that's definitely genocide.
But anytime people are made to suffer as a group because they're different from
others - to me, that's genocide too.
A lot of political leaders, even well-meaning ones, might say that forcing
Turkey to acnowledge the Armenian genocide would limit our ability to fight
terror or do other good things in the world. What would you say to someone who
argues that the genocide took place almost a century ago, and that they'd rather
concentrate on what we can do today?
Look: Correct recognition of the past affects the present. It's as simple as
that. If we're at the point where we're going to use genocide as currency to get
something we want from another nation ... well, we're really fucked, aren't we?
Let me put it another way: You can't do the wrong thing for the right reason. It
won't work. It never has.
The movie shows your efforts to get Denny Hastert to advance a resolution
recognizing the Armenian genocide. The film's equally rough on the first Bush
administration and Clinton's over this issue. Do you think the resolution will
do any better now that the Democrats control Congress?
You mean, are they real reformers or just "corporate Democrats"? We'll see. So
far everybody's enjoying the general feeling of optimism, but Congress hasn't
even convened yet. Nobody's really "in" over there right now.
Are you going to make any more efforts at getting recognition for Armenia?
I haven’t made any plans personally. I’m not a lobbyist, I'm an activist. I’m
working for the overall cause of genocide recognition.
Anybody who has ever tried to balance political work with artistic work of
any kind has struggled with a sort of ‘left brain/right brain’ issue, balancing
the primal and almost atavistic artistic impulse with the more rational act of
political activism. How have you handled that balance in your own life and work?
My political work just comes to me – whether it’s Axis of Justice, genocide
recognition, or anything else. I don’t make plans, and I don’t weigh or balance
art versus politics. I follow my instincts.
I follow my political impulses the same way I follow my artistic ones. Art is
more right-brained, so the music is more intuitive. It may be personal or
romantic or political or whatever.
It’s what you do after the intuition has been followed that’s more premeditated.
Whether it’s me, Tom Morello, or anyone else involved with both music and
politics, the key seems to be a simple one: Follow your heart.
The film shows a lot of System’s listeners responding strongly to the
political message, although they don’t strike me as generally political people
by nature. Why do you think that is?
Every time the truth is revealed in an intuitive way, people are receptive to
it. If you affect their heart and show them the right place to be, that reaches
the only thing that can change their minds: their hearts.
You got a lot of attention the day after 9/11 for posting an essay on your
website that basically said, “as heinous as this act was, there are historical
reasons for it.” The attention you received wasn’t, shall we say, all that
favorable. Those were ugly days - days when anything other than jingoism on the
topic of terror brought down a lot of heat. How did that affect your ‘political’
side?
Oh, man … I got nailed from every corner. I wrote about the demand for oil and
its relationship to terror. I wasn’t even thinking. I was just reacting. Then
came the reaction to my reaction - things like program directors dropping our
single and Howard Stern completely dissing me.
I had to get on Howard’s show and try to explain my position, while trying to
tour a week after September 11 and being vulnerable to every possible danger.
I remember our first show was in Denver, and our band sat me down and said,
“You’re not a dumb person. why are you doing this?” I had to tell them, “I don’t
know. I don’t want you guys hurt, but also know that I can’t fucking help it. I
really can’t. I can’t help saying what I feel is right.”
It can’t be controlled. When you see something wrong it’s about saying it, about
having to say it. It’s about becoming the people called ‘screamers,’ where we
got the movie’s title. These are people who start screaming once they realize
the enormity of the horror, and can't stop.
I’ve never regretted it, but it’s difficult when it affects those around you –
it makes it painful. There’s a price to bear for speaking out at ‘the wrong
time.’
People said to me after the war in Iraq went so wrong, “are you happy about
post-9/11 and the ‘Boom’ video with Michael Moore and everything you predicted
all coming true?”
My reaction was always, “Are you crazy? How can I be happy about tragic events
like these? I wish I had been wrong. Completely wrong.”
Haven’t you been campaigning against Article 301 in Turkey, the censorship
law under which Orhan Pamuk was arrested?
We’ve spoken out against it. It’s interesting. We have a great following in
Turkey, despite our Armenian background. Journalists there tried to make us look
racist toward Turks because of our campaign to recognize the genocide, but it
hasn’t worked.
It’s interesting. We did an interview for Rolling Stone Turkey that never came
out. Did they self-censor in order to stay out of trouble with the government?
They asked me to take out my comments about the Armenian genocide, but I
wouldn’t. It was supposed to come out in August. I wonder.
And how can you have people in jails for speaking their minds in a country
that’s trying to become part of the European Union - a NATO ally? This law is
wrong, just wrong.
Any advice for others, especially in the arts, who want to work on this
issue? You work with other musicians on “Axis of Justice.”
Well, the guy who wrote “The Motorcycle Diaries” is doing a film on genocide,
but it’s for me the cause is not just genocide – it’s injustice. Whether it’s an
economic embargo … anytime people are suffering because of unjust actions, I
just do what my heart tells me to do.
As for Axis – we play it by ear. Tom’s involved with labor, domestic injustice,
and economic issues. I’m more involved with embargoes, genocide, and
international issues.
So Morello’s the Secretary of Labor and HEW, and you’re the Secretary of State?
Something like that. But we also have a strong local chapter in LA, providing
food for the homeless and other services. Our radio show’s been on for two years
(details here).
What do you say when people complain about musicians and other celebrities
who speak out about politics?
I agree with them, in a way. What do musicians know that other people don't?
Nothing. Plumbers can speak. Electricians can speak. Everyone can speak. They
should speak.
Lech Walesa was an electrician, and he became the leader of Poland.
Exactly. Good for him. I don't want to spend all my time working as an activist.
I don't get satisfaction out of it. I'd rather be doing something else. I'm a
musician.
I've noticed something about people who say they don't like actors and
musicians having political opinions, if you ask them who they think was the
greatest President ever they always answer "Reagan." And what was Reagan before
he went into politics?
(laughs) Exactly. If anybody wants to speak up, they should speak up. I don't
want to be a politician. I want others to start speaking out about genocide.
Interview made by RJ Eskow from
The Huffington Post.
Photo by Arsineh Khachikian.
Check Screamers on their Official website:
www.Screamersmovie.com
and their myspace page:
www.myspace.com/screamersmovie
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Comments
mineisbigger
29.11.06, 22:17
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Good Interview
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nmdaron
29.11.06, 22:25
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nice
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AK
29.11.06, 22:27
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thanks zak, very well said by serj
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sugar_buzz
29.11.06, 22:36
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These statements speak volumes about the issues surrounding the Genocide recognition: "If we're at the point where we're going to use genocide as currency to get something we want from another nation ... well, we're really fucked, aren't we? Let me put it another way: You can't do the wrong thing for the right reason. It won't work. It never has." Just goes to show that you don't have to be Shakespeare to speak the truth...you don't have to be a politician to be involved in something "political"....you don't have to be Armenian to care about the recognition of the Genocide. Great read! Thanks ZAk! And more gratitude than mere words could ever express to Serj for his art, his activism, his heart. Thank you.
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Serart_Fan
29.11.06, 22:50
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Awesome stuff, let's hope that Armenians get recognition on the genocide soon.
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Swain
29.11.06, 23:52
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Serj is an inspiration to me. He has motivated me to open my eyes as to what's going on in other countries. Love you Serj
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Valdovinos
29.11.06, 23:52
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I will do all i can
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mom45
29.11.06, 23:52
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Keep screaming, Serj. Some of us are listening.
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Valdovinos
29.11.06, 23:52
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i'll be praying
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systemcia
29.11.06, 23:53
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yeah..!! Lech Wałęsa rządzi.. :D yy... it was in polish... i think its nice when they were talking about Poland..And im happy because Serj knows who is lech Walesa... ^^ NICEEE..!!
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Lune
30.11.06, 00:15
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Thanks Serj.
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sorifes
30.11.06, 00:32
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It makes me glad that serj can speak his opinion and not really care what other people think about it...good job serj. And thank you Zak
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leaf
30.11.06, 00:45
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hehe, Lech Wałesa :dd Serj is too awesome for me sometimes... lol. He's s right with all he's doing. And it's grat interview, thanks ZAk
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Lika
30.11.06, 02:35
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May Serj continues to inspire us.
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system_of_a_down_lover
30.11.06, 04:13
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Wow =) thats awsome...does that pic mean that he wont have it pulled back and stuff?
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starliteyez
30.11.06, 05:02
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yea serj is such an intellegent man not just someone who preaches but doesn look at al sides of the story
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Moonchild73
30.11.06, 05:31
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How Much does the Truth cost? Those whose silence the truth silence themselves! We cannot have a true democracy with a pricetag! WAR SUCKS! U ROCK! SERJICAL MAN! Peace;>
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diamondgrrl60
30.11.06, 10:43
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Excellent. Thank you so much.
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